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the one we picked up here. I don't think it was. It's good now. >> Okay. Good afternoon. Welcome to Federal Highways Digital Delivery Stakeholder Group. Um, quick show of hands. How many of you in the audience, this is the first time attending this group? If you could just raise your hand. Hi. Good. Good. That's exactly exactly what we were hoping for. Uh part of the reason why we piggybacked on to this event here at GIST was to to grow and expand the conversation around digital delivery. Um so acknowledging

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that we're still kind of building an audience. Um some of our intro stuff will be a little bit redundant for those members um and those of us that that have been attending the meetings. Uh we are a young group. I should say that this is only our third meeting. Our first inaugural meeting was in October. We had um collaborated with the IHEA uh conference which many of you are aware of and and attend as well. Um unfortunately at that point in time because of the uh federal budget negotiations, federal highway was not

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allowed to participate. So um we weren't there and couldn't participate online. But um our uh great staff that we have working with us from the National Institute of Building Science, um we have a support contract with them to help us uh execute the group. um they were able to successfully uh move that event forward and and get us kicked off and started. Um so then we had a virtual event after that. It was uh a couple hours over three days. This is our third meeting uh hybrid both virtual and in

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person. We're expecting to be doing that um kind of cadence the same way uh moving forward. So, it'll be the next one will be all virtual. Then we'll do a hybrid. Um, we're still working on schedules and we'll touch on that a little bit later as well. And we have a mechanism within a mural um that we'll go over for you that's going to be a little bit more interactive. Um, I understand that the mural is easier to navigate or best to navigate if you've got a laptop. So, if you're if you don't

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have a laptop, I I'm not sure how much you can use it. You can always, we're going to leave it open though. You can come in afterwards and populate with your thoughts and other things on the mural. If you're not familiar with it, we'll walk you through that. Um, but it's a a way that we're continue to engage and gather information. Um, we're also hoping that you'll at least minimally take a time to look at your calendars and maybe go into the mural and let us know where there are other

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big national events um, scheduled so that we can kind of have an awareness of where these kind of technical groups are meeting so that we can not only not have a conflict and maximize participation but also um, for scheduling purposes as well. Um, >> yeah. online. >> Oh, yeah. I'm I'm told I'm not on camera, so not that I'm camera shy, but I can come up here, I guess. Is this the right place to be? All right. Um, yeah. So, we we are also maximizing to the extent possible our our engagement

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virtually as well. So, um, we've got additional support and staff to to help us with the engagement piece and to monitor what's going on within Zoom to make sure that we're engaging them as well. Um, we we do have a lot of resources that we'll touch on that are available from the previous meetings and we're going to continue to update. You can go to those resources and you can get on, you know, our distribution list if you want to have information moving forward, uh, etc. It sounds like the volume's on this

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laptop. Is that okay? Or is it okay? All right. Um, let's see. Uh, oh, I guess I didn't really introduce myself, did I? Uh, I'm Matthew Corgan. I'm with Federal Highway Administration. Um, I'm one of the co-chairs. Uh, I don't have yet another co-chair. I'm actively pursuing that. Um so uh but uh I'm in our uh office of infrastructure R&D. Um and so uh as you probably are aware in general there's been a lot of activity going on at the federal level DOT level. Um there's a a a small core

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set of us that are really keep trying to keep momentum in digital delivery and piggybacking on efforts that have already been started uh in advancing and you know engaging and communicating um with our chain of command about the needs and what you're all telling us. So this is another venue to do that. Uh we anticipate open dialogue and participation. Don't be afraid to share your perspective. Um, I guess you know, minimally if we hand you the mic or you, you know, want to say something, just,

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you know, state your name and who you represent. That way we have an awareness, uh, of where that perspective is coming from. Um, we definitely have, um, a few rules of engagement, meaning just, you know, like we're not going to talk about things that would be like competitive type of issues or pricing. Um because of federal requirements as far as uh taking direction from external entities, we also be have have to be very uh very careful in not framing anything that we discuss as if you're making

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recommendations to federal highway or US DOT, Congress, the president, etc. Um if we verge in those areas, you know, you'll probably see me jump up and throw a flag or something and make sure that that doesn't happen. Um, >> yeah, we we'll throw whatever we we we have available. Um, sure. Thank you, Roger. Um, so, uh, yeah, so I'm continuing to actively look for another co-chair. Um, uh, we'll do some quick introductions before we go much further as far as, uh, the people that we have

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at the main table, which are primarily our official members. Um, again, we'll give you those resources so that you can get access to, you know, who those people are and our charter and why we're here and those kind of things. Um, as I had mentioned, we do have our support contract with uh, NIBs, National Institute of Building Science. We have Roger Grant and Rackley that are helping us very much uh, and they can help with any questions. and also uh Mona who's sitting over here. She's kind of our

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engagement uh expert and uh she'll walk you through some of our mentometer and some of our polling and other things that we continue to do. We were asking some series of questions as far as like wanting to know how we're progressing so we can see you know uh you know uh what the responses are and how they kind of trend over time. Um, plus whenever there's new events and things that come up, uh, we really want to, you know, again, I can't say enough. We really do want your opinion. We want to understand

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where the state of practice is, where you are, what's working, what's not working so much, where are there gaps, you know, where could resources maybe be spent. You'll hear some of that as well from some of the presentations we have scheduled and some of the activities going on. There's a lot going on as you can probably expect in this space. It covers a lot of specialties, a lot of expertise. Um, and it's maybe starting to verge or has already verged outside of some of our comfort levels as far as

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traditional engineering kind of workflows in space. And so, um, I'm I'm learning just a, you know, right along with you, uh, as well and trying to understand the space, um, moving forward. Um so general meeting purposes. So the the DDSG really was formed to be a collaborative open dialogue in space like I had mentioned. Um other than some of those basic parameters that I had mentioned as well as far as what we can and can't do. Um there there's really not a lot of formality here. Uh again um

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we we I should say we do record these things so that we can make them publicly available. But I hope that doesn't discourage you from providing your opinion or what's going on out there. I know it hasn't up till this point. Um, but just, you know, so you know, uh, we we're not recording so that we can say, you know, hog, you know, gotcha or whatever. It's really we have a mandate to make sure that the things that we do are open to the public and available. Um, so that's part of just kind of our

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requirements. But please, again, uh, this is a this is a safe space. It really is. Um, and if you ever feel like it's not, please let us know. Um, so we do have a two half day agenda uh today and tomorrow. The items are up here. Uh, Roger and Nibs did send out like hard copies of the agenda. I shouldn't say hard copies, but links. Um, so uh hopefully you all got that invite and saw those. Uh, you can link to that and and and and have a digital version of it as well. Um we do have some things that will be recurring as we

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meet each time because there are some high level things going on within the ASHTO committees and various efforts that are uh going on within those um within our uh uh ADCMS grant programs. Many of you I think are familiar with those. We'll touch on those as well for those of you that aren't. But it's been a a big uh push to get some resources out to states and have uh solutions that the whole country can leverage and use, not just one-offs, and get that collaborative uh movement. Um we'll have updates on those efforts.

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There are some very high level national transportation pulled fund studies or TPF studies um that will have continuing updates and and things like that. We'll also expand because we want to know also other research efforts that you might have in your state whether it's through you know your state funded universities. We we understand a lot of agencies really do direct some of their internal R&D and and things and digital delivery to their local community and universities. And so we will also want

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to have an opportunity to hear what's going on there as well as national level research uh national cooperative highway research program. They have a lot of overlap with a lot of their research efforts over the last couple years and things that are uh yet to come and are being progressed. We have some efforts internally within federal highway that will uh be providing updates on progress and research and how that fits into this dialogue as well. And then tomorrow we do have kind of a more dedicated workshop that's on um

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information management and some of the ISO standards. Um part of this is we recognize that a lot of us are at very different levels of uh um maturity in this space. uh and all the activities that are going on. And so we want to make sure that not only are we talking about the needs, but also for those of us that maybe don't know all the lingo and all the right acronyms and what terminology means to have some also component that's a little bit more foundational or educational as well um to help kind of uh just grow the

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community. Um so I'm really looking forward to this uh item tomorrow as well. Um, so we'll go over the mural and the mentometer now and get everybody up to speed with those. Most of you are probably familiar with mentometer. Um, but mural, I know I had not used it until uh Mona brought it up as a mechanism and it's really worked pretty well for us. Um, but uh it does have some of its uh quirks and and things to work and and again I'm not sure I've never tried to use it on a phone. I'm

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not sure how well that'll work on a phone. And I would encourage you if you do have your laptop, that's probably your best best way to go for the the um the mural. But I will pause here and Roger. >> Okay. Yeah. Thanks, Matt. Thanks everybody. Um so we're going to talk about mural first. You should have a link that you either got on email today from us. Um or I don't think you can type that one in. It's in the chat. Okay, it's also in the chat. So, we're going to the mural. We used it in our

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last meeting if any of you were there and we've used it in our first meeting as well, too. It's a device for collecting information, giving people a chance to leave comments. And so we have the mural set up today so that people online and by the way we should point out there are uh 60 or so people online as well today um joining the meeting remotely and so hello out there. We're not forgetting about you. Um and in fact the mural is really set up if you're on your computer as a way to interact. And

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so the mural which Rackley is showing right now a few things about it. Um some logistical things. Turn off mouse tracers when you're in there. If you just click on your name, you can turn off your mouse tracer. Um, and showing you how. Don't broadcast your cursor because it drives people when there's a lot of in there. Um, and also u for sticky notes, which we hope encourage you to leave whenever you have a comment you want to register, you know, double click and it'll open up a sticky note.

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You can change the color by right-clicking and it'll give you a menu of colors and some other kind of things you can do with the note. Um, you can you can't mess anything up in there. So, don't worry if you leave a note you don't like it, you can delete it. Um, if it's a crazy note, um, we'll read it and laugh or we'll just put it in the trash. But, uh, don't worry, it's all good. It's a way to just get input. There's a few things set up in there. We'll go

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through the whole agenda. has a place in there. So, anywhere if you're online, if you're on your computer here, you want to interact, that's a way to uh to do it. Um, and uh that's pretty much what Mural is all about. We'll refer to it a couple times through the day, but please uh leave things in there. We'll post we'll put pieces of the presentations as we go through in there, too, especially when we have a more interactive sessions. It's helpful. The other tool

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we're going to work with is today. Is that good on Mural? Uh, Rackley. Yeah. Okay. Um, how many people used Mural before? All right. Some of us. Um, I know you'll love it once you start using it. So, I'm just going to say that we we use it all the time and get a lot of good out of it. Um, and you can use this free if you're have, you know, you have to get an a license if you want to use it on your own. But, um, okay. So, let's look at the menntimeter. Now, uh, we also going to use menntimeter to get input

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from people today. We've got several polls scattered throughout the day. You can get into Mentometer by um, clicking the QR code. Yes. >> I'm sorry. Can we back up because there's at least several of us here who didn't fast enough. >> Back to Mural. Okay, sure. Let's go back to Mural. Um, Rackley, I was jumping ahead a little too fast. Um, and get everybody up on it. Did you find Are you in the mural? >> No. >> Okay, then if you can go into the Are you in the Zoom? Okay. Did you get an

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email today from NIBs? Um at Because so if you're not registered. Okay. Now we got to get you the link to the mural somehow. Um >> you have name tags, but you didn't get an email from us. >> Um okay. Well, sorry about that. I thought everybody that was on the registration list got it, but maybe there was a delay in there. Um I don't know how else we're going to get we'll work on a way to get you the link. Um um that you can that we can get you so you can get into the mural and before

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we do more with it, we'll come back to that. Okay. >> So, we're gonna mural. >> Yeah. How about while you guys work on that, I'll do a roll call for members just so that we have that taken care of. >> Yeah, we could do that. Or we the menty is teed up, but we can do that if you want. If we want to do it that way, Matt, that's fine. >> What's your preference? >> Pretty good, I think. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So, just uh some formality. Bear with

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me. Uh for the members, I'm going to do a quick roll call. Um, and uh I I would love to have the time to have you all introduce yourself, but uh that would probably take quite a bit of time. So, um, but uh the uh first member we have is uh Cassidy Blowers from Delaware DOT. See if she's online. Cassidy, if you're online, You hear me? >> Uh, there. Gotcha. >> Barely hear you, but I think we hear you. Thank you, Cassidy. >> Yep. >> Um, Rick Bryce, Washington State DOT.

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Katie Brown, Oklahoma DOT. >> Present. >> Katie. Uh, Cindy Hogland, ARTBA. >> Will Holmes, Kentucky Transportation Cabinet. >> President Will Ian How, Building Smart USA. >> Carrie Lavali, Massachusetts, DOT, >> present. Hi Carrie. >> Hello. >> Uh Jennifer Lloyd, Tennessee do t and ashto jtce e. >> I am here online. >> Hi Jennifer. >> Hey >> Kevin Marsha Ashtto >> here. >> Kevin >> Alan Melly Pennsylvania DOT

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>> here. Devin Poor, Calrans. >> Good afternoon everybody. You're online. >> Hi Devin. >> Jonathan Porter AGC. >> Charlie Purcell, Iowa DOT. >> Dan Ranki, ACE >> here. Dan, Trisha Stfansky, Minnesota DOT and Ashto J. Stan >> here. Thank you. >> Trisha Jacob Tambooga, Texas DOT and Brad Wafer, Michigan DOT. >> Excellent. Thank you. So that's our membership. Um, we do have, uh, as we get get you the information you need to get access

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to, um, we do have a digital delivery stakeholder group hub, uh, that NIBs is hosting. Um, the easiest way I found to, uh, locate it is just point your browser to DDSG hub and usually it comes up right away. If you try and do like just DDSG or some other permutation, you don't always get to it quickly, but if you add the hub to it, um, usually it comes up within either the top five results or whatever. Um, but you'll see the membership and our charter and some of the past meeting recorders, uh, recordings, if you will,

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and other documents there as well. Um, so DDSG hub Yeah, that's the website. Okay, >> good afternoon everybody. So, this QR code, if we can all scan the QR code, we're going to kick off our session with a survey. And if you have attended our events in the past, some of these questions may feel familiar, but what we're trying to achieve here is really trying to get an understanding of how your digital delivery needs are evolving. And um yeah, we can go from there. So let's let's begin. Do we want to go

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ahead and skip to the survey? Yep. And if you don't have the QR code, if you can uh raise your hand if you need a little bit more time. All right, I think we can switch over. Are we in? >> There's the results. >> All right, so let's begin by asking everybody which organization do you represent? and we'll start to see the live polling coming in right here. And what you'll see as we continue with the afternoon, we'll be asking periodic questions from mentee here and there as

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we uh introduce the different blocks of information that we have today. We'll give it another minute. All right. All right. I think we can move on to Oh, no. We're still seeing a few come through. Give it a sec. Thank you. 91 out of 99. Can we get eight more? And if the QR code didn't work, the access code is 14141868 for um participants online. All right, I think we can move on to the next question. Have you participated in any prior DDSG stakeholder meetings? I know by the show of hands, we have a lot of new folks in

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here and we welcome you. So now you're going to go through the kind of background. >> It's great to see more than half of you are new here. And >> I hope it won't be your last meeting either. I can't see you if you're sitting here that well. All right, it looks like all of our respondents have slowed down, so I'll turn it back over to Roger to give us an introduction and then we can get into um some more menty questions in just a little bit. Thank you. >> No, thank you, Mona.

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So like I mentioned um this really was you know designed to be a collaboration and to kind of have a dialogue but within the context of developing a charter and recognizing the diversity of digital delivery uh technologies and needs. We did develop kind of overall purpose, objectives, scope and some of the logistics uh that are captured here. I don't want to spend a lot of time like detailing these one by one, but I think again it just reinforces the nature of what we're trying to do here. And these are the

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items that are also captured within our uh group charter. So, if you really want to have, you know, some information as far as like what we're trying to do and the logistics behind that, you can access the charter as well at the DDSG hub. Um, but you know, really we want to be able to coordinate and integrate efforts and make sure that everybody kind of knows what's going on and you know where the direction that we're heading um and what the needs are uh and how we can help facilitate uh continued

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advancement. Guess I'll pause. I'll ask does anybody have any questions at this point? I don't expect probably you do, but if you do, I'm more than happy to entertain them if you aren'tite quite clear why we're here, what we're trying to accomplish. >> I've got a question back here. >> Yeah, Terry, >> to save us time from Snapman photographs, will this entire slide deck be shared later? >> Yes. >> Great. Thanks. >> Yep. And we'll we'll be posting and

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pushing all this stuff onto the DDSG hub. >> Everything will be posted on that DDSG hub and everything from the previous meetings is there too as well as background information about >> Yep. Yeah. We're we're going to continue to build it out. So, and and we're always open for feedback. I I have uh broad shoulders. I may be small, but I have broad shoulders. So, if you've got any criticism, you know, feel free to send them my way. We'll we'll uh we'll address them.

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Um, you know, we did go through rule call, but we do have a a core group of members uh that uh have been built for the DDSG. This was really again also to make sure that we had um the right entities at the table, their various perspectives, their roles within their agency, both technical and leadership, uh diversity of regions and a diversity of maturity in this digital delivery. Um at this point in time, there will be some rotations moving forward. That's the one cadence we haven't quite fully built out because we

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didn't want to have a complete rollover of members all at once at a certain time frame. Um, but as you know we generate interest and we start working on things and having specific activities uh we'll be looking for those opportunities for those of you that might want to get involved and engaged at the membership level. Um, we do have some calendar items in the mural um, as we get into working through the mural and you'll see slides that we're working through as well that you can add

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comments or questions to. But one of our goals is to make sure we understand, you know, that what's going on out there as far as activities and items. Um, so we do have this running list and if you go into there to mural, please help us out here. If you're aware of anything, post it there and then that way we can keep adding to the list and when we schedule our out meetings. Um it just helps us to understand the conflicts or where you know we might be able to collaborate and partner up uh as far as our meetings.

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And then just quickly as I had mentioned, you know, we had kind of kicked this off at the beginning of last year. Did have our inaugural meeting uh which is which was hybrid as well uh last October. So um relatively young uh group. Uh we are still trying to you know build up our audience and make sure we have that dialogue and start to get to where the priorities are and things that we can individually um start working on. Uh our second was just a virtual meeting. Then this meeting is our third one. Meeting four will be

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virtual uh only as well. Um we're targeting kind of these time frames but again you know as we build out our calendar and understand uh where other events are happening um we can start to uh get those locked in. One of the things that we'll be discussing just as a membership is kind of um you know logistics for like travel and participation and how much time um because you know with I heap we get squeezed into a smaller time period. Um, we were able to leverage uh this venue and event uh to at least get two half

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days, but uh we're hoping to have these multi-day events that we can really dedicate to having some, you know, meaningful dialogue and and get some strategies and plans moving forward. As well, as I mentioned, there's there's the hub. I hope you've all been able to find it. If not, just uh come and catch me during the break and I'll I'll get you the right information. Um some quick summary from the last meeting when we talked about you know adoption and and where everybody is at.

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Uh it it it's clear that everybody knows what's going on as far as like the need and trying to work towards it. There are a lot of different levels of maturity again and it varies. Um, and so, uh, hopefully with all the activities going on and the things that you'll hear about and be able to also contribute to, we can accelerate this and get everybody kind of, uh, moving in the same direction, if you will, through that. It's going to be a lot of coordination of standards and implementation items.

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Uh, there definitely was a desire uh, from that meeting and and some of our polling about the need for that uh, standardization and alignment. Um, which is again why we're kind of picking up on some of the ISO discussions at our meeting uh tomorrow during the agenda. Um, life cycle data integration. I think most of you heard a lot of that even this week during the presentations and things about trying to link all those different data and make it useful um for the life of the asset. And Trisha, one

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of the main reasons why we love Trisha, she's like a great voice for that. um and she's doing some great things in Minnesota and leading some things through Ashtto as well um to help always kind of come back to this need for us to be able to manage the asset um and and there's a a need to have that data available for all the business use cases throughout its life. And then of course collaboration. Uh having events like this is certainly a huge part of that collaboration and understanding where

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people are and what they're doing and the unique things and tools that they're bringing to the table. Um but definitely wanting to you know uh have that also with the vision of having things integrated and and available more mentometer. >> All right. So, let's all dive back into the menty meter survey. Hopefully, you all have the QR code pulled up, but if not, we'll leave the screen on here for a few minutes. All right, looks like everybody's in. Yeah. All right. So, we're going to dive into

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some of the questions that we've asked uh at the last couple of DDSG meetings, but again, this is to help us get a sense of how priorities are changing over time as we continue with the DDSG initiatives. And if anybody wants to weigh in, I want this to be an interactive polling session. So, if you feel compelled and want to share, I'll bring the mic over to you if you want to give any depth or narrative to some of the efforts that you're putting in right now. Uh we're happy to have all of you weigh in even

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for our panel members too. No pressure. So which DDSG focus areas feel most critical? So we see coordinating standards and adoption and alignment and tech deployment and the deployment of supporting standards are neck and neck. Does anybody want to share anything related to that? I'm just going to start handing the mic out. All right. I think we can move on. >> Oh, here we go. >> Thank you. >> Yep. Absolutely. Uh Brad Wick, director of Michigan DOT. Um I was just curious about the uh the national road map and

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you know as we're talking about what the role of this group is and we'll be talking later about ASHTO you know does that road map actually discuss um kind of roles and responsibilities and and would that road map then align to what we're saying is is most critical now just kind of an open question. >> The road map for the stakeholder group, >> the national road map. >> The national road map. Yeah. >> Um yeah. Um the the national road map does include roles and responsibilities in it

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and yeah, how we line those up with where we are. I think that's something we're going to talk a little bit about roadmapping later today, Brad, and what what the DDSG could and should do to help bring together kind of a collective roadmap that could help states. So, I think that'll be maybe we'll come back to that question later. All right, Rackley, I think we can go to the next one. How would you describe your organization's position in its digital delivery journey? And really,

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these are ranked from not having a formal digital delivery effort yet to it is business as usual, which I'm curious if anybody will check that box off because then we need to get you up here to do a keynote on how you've done it. Well, >> that's a good one. We'll have to add that next time. Someone in the audience here said they don't know. That's a really good point. Having visibility, do you really understand what your agencies and states are doing? And for anyone who's scaling digital

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delivery across their programs, I see five people who have said so. Even folks on the phone, feel free to jump in. Does anybody want to share how you're doing that briefly? All right. If you're early in your pilots, what challenges are you seeing so far? Our esteemed panel members. Oh, there we go. Um, I think something that we're trying to organize in New Mexico right now is getting all of the different initiatives that are happening across all the functional groups and um, just really

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trying to focus on alignment because I think there's a lot of overlapping initiatives and we're just trying to ensure that as we move forward with our solutions that they're aligned and um, and moving with interoperability in mind as we move forward. Thank you. All right, I think we can go to the next one. The pace of digital delivery activities in my organization or project has has it slowed? Has it accelerated rapidly? Are you somewhere in the middle? I'd be curious to understand why you answered

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the way you did. What are the factors that are impacting the acceleration or um seeing things slowing down? Could be organizational barriers, technology barriers, workforce upskilling challenges, maybe retirements, you know, would anybody like to share why? >> I'm Sean over at uh AOT Arizona DOT and uh we have a um digital delivery tech committee. Um, we have three projects picked out to start running pilots on. Um, we're just doing this on the side, so we all have our day jobs and so no

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one can devote much time to it. We do have positions in mind that we're going to be hiring like a digital delivery uh director, I believe, uh, and some other positions like a digital delivery group. So once we do that, I would assume that it's going to change from slightly increasing to significantly increasing hopefully. So looking forward to that. >> That's really good feedback. Having dedicated resources I think are critical. >> Uh Ben McCulla, Texas DOT. So we have a

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entire group uh within our design division dedicated to digital delivery. Jacob Tambugo who's on the committee. Um and I marked accelerated rapidly because our executive director told every district to have digital delivery projects to move forward and multiple ones. So we are seeing a large increase and that just happened um a few months ago. So that is you know changing rapidly. >> Very good. Thank you. >> And you've also got a mic here too. this one. Okay. >> How does Okay. So, uh, Trisha Stfansky,

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Minnesota. I think we go back and forth. So, we start out kind of accelerating and then we find that construction's having a hard time. Something's happening in the field and we kind of slow down. Um, our leadership has been involved. I mean, I'm so grateful to be at the table. Um, people are listening. Our leadership went to IHEA. You know, we've had lots of things happen where leadership has said, "We see that this is important, but it is kind of a accelerate, slow back down, accelerate,

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slow back down for us." >> And I do think that's an important thing to remember is that progress isn't always linear or up all the time consistently. So, thank you for sharing that. I think we can go to the next question. Oh, wait. Thomas, of course, here. Yeah, I'm Thomas Hansky uh IOD DOT and I I think we're slightly increasing because we're lucky enough to have uh major federal grants and aid grant ADCMS grant that's really helping us. I'm lucky enough my executive champion here

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as well. So, he's here. He's supporting this. So, that's to say like when the grant money uh runs out, not sure where we're going to be at, if we're swinging back or not, we're similar. We're we're not we don't have a dedicated team, but maybe someday we will. All right, next. All right, the next question. Which drivers have become more important for advancing digital delivery in your organization? So here you'll be able to select up to three, your top three. Everything from efficiency, cost

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savings, improving collaboration, quality, better decision-m, regulatory compliance, and there is an other field in case there's something else. And if you do select other, we'd love to hear which other it is, better decision- making. So having the data and information Is there a state or anybody that would like to share why you selected your top? Thank you. So, uh in Texas we I selected risk reduction um mainly through reducing the risk of change orders. With better models, we can have better quantity

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estimates. uh we have seen change orders that have wiped out some districts uh budgets for a year and that has greatly hampered them. So this is something that um I see as very valuable to reduce that risk. >> We've got one more by Nicole um Nicole Hansen ITD. Um I don't know exactly what I is doing for digital delivery. I've heard little bits and pieces, but I for me I think the improved collaboration between the engineers, the everyone who's doing all the planning and the GIS side, which is

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where I'm at, that having that digital, there's making sure that we're in that same quality consistency, which is why I picked that one, too. Just like having that collaboration together, we're working all together so we can make things better for our state. Thank you. All right, we've got one more up front. >> Yes. How you doing? Rob Bareric here with uh Connecticut DOT. I'd say in Connecticut we're we're very ahead on on many things. We've done little things to

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help improve or um pave the way for digital delivery. Um we're definitely getting our house in order, if you will. We recently restructured to kind of combine technology, innovation, and IT together. So, we're hoping that's going to help improve kind of collaboration and tie in more planning with design. And then the construction where we have bits and pieces, but we're we're getting there. And I think it really helps to have that kind of what Texas did is that the executive has to say, "We're doing a

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project next year or two years from now or whatever the case may be." and and we just got to get it done. So, I think it comes from the top and uh that's the best way to get it done. >> Very good feedback. Um, so we talk a lot about the benefits of digital project delivery and there are a lot of wonderful benefits to this and I feel like there's a lot of focus on ROI as well. But I think one of the things that we kind of overlook or maybe don't talk about enough is the risk of

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not doing this because the world has moved to data centric processes and it is a databased world that we live in. Um but what are we doing in this industry if we are not moving towards that and quite frankly if we don't start now and move into those processes and start being more datacentric we won't be able to leverage the future technologies and features that will be coming out. >> It's such an important point. >> Yeah. at uh Iowa DOT. I think for us, one of the big drivers is efficiency and

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cost savings. Um we see that there's a lot of promise in digital delivery for that. Um but some of our key stakeholders such as contractors and our inspectors are not yet seeing that. And so I think that for us is going to be the key to be able to show that this does have the ability to make their lives easier. uh if at the end of the day are those are the customers that use our product. Our product being the digital deliverable. If it's not better for them, they're not going to really

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embrace it. So that's really the key focus for us is how do we make it more useful to contractors and our inspectors. So I will say during the the first DDSG meeting we had representation from the contractors and they according to the national representatives they were teaching they were motivated there is effort towards that. Um also in a previous meeting I think here in DDSG um Trish and I presented a slide where we were showing the engineering community is is not keeping up as far as population goes. The construction

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workers are not keeping up. We can't do business as usual. We've got to radically change. It's kind of like when we started looking at machine control. I remember when that first was being discussed, people were getting their hair on fire about it. But the reality is, I don't know that you can go to a modern construction site and not see those those horns on the equipment. So I think we need to get through the pain of this early adoption but not be shy about pushing through. So has anybody thought about bringing

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somebody from overseas who are way down the path from a digital delivery point of view? So here's my point and I talked about this in AQB13. We're about five to 10 years behind Singapore, Europe, Australia, and the not made here thing is pushing us backwards. We're not even ready for the current technology and what's not coming in. Right? So, if I look at uh the BIM 19650 2026 version, they're already into whole life asset management with an automated delivery system. So right now

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we have um I'm from Bentley but we have vendors who are actually doing data validation from projects and automatically and birectionally dropping that information to either Maximo or Hexagon without any implementation. They're validating from a design point of view LOD 400 500 Kobe standards into the operations models. This is commonplace but you at the start we said who would like to keynote you know who to talk about an actual delivery there's really nobody here right now there there

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isn't we we have to look outside leverage our friends bring them over and show them what's possible and then start to adopt that stuff >> and you said you were with Bentley sorry I didn't catch your name could you say your name >> David Armstrong >> thank you Let's see. >> All right. Coming back to you. >> Andrew Block MD. I think one of the interesting things we talked about construction and tied into that as well is, you know, right now when we're

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talking with our inspectors, we're talking with contractors, they want to use data to do things better. They want to do it faster. They want to do things more efficiently. But they also want to know that the things that they're doing because they're so they need they're so busy, right? They want to know that every piece of information that they're collecting is going to be used, right? And I think that's where a lot of these things come into as well is that, you know, we can get a lot of information to

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them, but if we're going to be asking them to collect more information, do things, we have to be thinking about where it's going to go, how it's going to tie together, or else it's going to we're not going to get that buy in, even if it's what does that better, faster mean, right, when it's to the contractor if we're not moving it forward. So I wanted to tie into the question earlier about bringing our our friends from across the pond so to speak and um I happen to be wearing my heap shirt

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today. Um the I and I heap is international that is part of it is a European counterparts and I know that um in past conferences I know I invited Austria over to my conference to kind of present on their BIM directives and how they're doing things. I know there's a company that that works heavily in Singapore but it's been doing a lot of those BIM things. So to some degree, I know it's a different conference, different I'm not I don't want to ad I mean I I am advertising for it, but to

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some degree that that international part of that is a good uh way and it'll be in Austin, Texas in December this year. But um there there is a good opportunity at at that venue to kind of collaborate with that. And if if you happen to join that next year or for your last meeting, meeting six, I think there's definitely an opportunity to see some of those international things at that conference. Yeah. Um, if we could get Singapore here, they they recently in the last six to nine months invested $120 million

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into their data infrastructure. They're committed to this. Everything vertical, everything horizontal, not just roads and bridges, everything. Now, they're a small country, but they recognize the value of it. every every one of these criteria we're talking about, Ben checks those, but you got to you got to commit to it and you got to drive it. >> So, we've got one online question from Devin. Devin, I'm going to cue you. >> Um, thank you. It's uh not so much of a

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question as just adding on to a little bit of the conversation. Um you know I think one of the things that in order for us to achieve that ultimate goal of where you know digital delivery and BIM is you know creating that full life cycle is uh as a country most of our DOS focus on asset as just one thing that's measured and that's how you use the program and it's the lack of a focus on information being a true asset and it's, you know, it's some physical thing and I I you know, a lot of I love what Trish

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has been doing with Minnesota and trying to tackle it from the asset side of things of how it's so important to think about it as more than just some physical thing you're counting to make sure that it doesn't it functions appropriately, but shifting that mindset. um like it it almost needs to happen more from the asset manage manager side, from the maintenance side, from the ops side to be more interested in that. The engineering side, I think, is not a hard sell on where the benefit is. But the

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people that are actually using the information to be accepting of that when a vast majority of them would still prefer to have a piece of paper that they walk out along the side of the road and use for that information. Thanks so much, Devin. All right, we're going to move on to the next survey question. We've got just a few more here. Which barriers are getting easier to manage? So, there's a lot to choose from. You can select up to three here as well. Resistance to change, executive leadership support. I think

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we've heard from a few of you today sharing that leadership support and driving from the top down is critical. Standards, data governance, data steward resistance, security and privacy concerns. Is there a skills and training gap? I think to some degree you can check all of these off. And I invite anybody from online if you want to raise your hand. We'll cue you to share if you want to share any feedback on which barriers are getting to easier easier to manage and why. >> Yeah. questions.

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>> All right, let's move on to the next one. Have any become more difficult? So again, it's the same set of um options. We'll give it another 10 seconds. >> All right, next question. What is the biggest gap between digital delivery, vision, and execution in your organization? Everything from clear standards or the tools exist but the workflows don't. You can have great technology but not the process and governance around it. I think that can be pretty challenging. The pilots exist but scalability isn't

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there. We hear very consistently as you guys are taking the survey that one of the top barriers is the workforce capability and I don't remember who said it was it Kate I can't remember that said you know this is the future and we really haven't talked a lot about this next generation of talent there is an expectation from young people on how to operate and how to work and so I think the future is coming faster than we know So we'll take another 10 seconds and I think the final question for this

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block here >> that's actually interesting kind of picks up on all the conversation that we talked All right. And for the final one, in one or two words, where should DDSG focus to deliver the most value in the near future? This will come up as a word cloud, so it'll be great to see what you all are saying here. All right. So, we'll take a couple minutes now as you're sharing your thoughts here. Does anybody want to share with the larger group what you've put on the board here

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and why perhaps? So if anybody's had standards, do you want to share more? >> Joseph Vulpar, NMDOT. Um yeah, standards is one of our main focuses and we're we're we were also a recipient of uh an ADCMS grant and um one of its focuses is um our state kit development for design and um and approaching that utilizing uh ISO 19650. And I think what I'm trying to do to the engineering community is really just help them understand I'm on the engineering side of things, but um make

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them understand that um what we would call our CAD or design standards are now data standards for the entire life cycle of our asset. I think a lot of them on a lot of people forget or aren't aren't realizing just how much um what we're doing is is you know it's to benefit ourselves as well but um it's feeding this this system to track the ass we all say these things over and over in these uh conversations but it's just communicating that and um you know my my CAD standards are now data standards

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because this what we're putting out there is going follow through the entire system and just got to communicate it. I'm sure my word up there is very small, but the word I put up there was legislation. Um, the reason why the tier ones are so far ahead of us is legislation. and they have national mandates to do these things. And so we can have all of those words up there and that's great. But unless there is something to push us to do it, even at the state level, the the real money won't flow. So that has to

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happen. And I don't know if that's what this body can do, but that's what I would want out of it. Oh, >> anyone else? Oh, there we are. So, the UK published a whole bunch of books on how points were allocated for a project. So, you get what you pay for, you get what you're contractually obligated to deliver. So what they did was uh exactly what we did with DEI and uh and other demands to to to drive change within our organizations. So let me let me let me expand on this. So by

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allocating points for LOD 400500 which means in our terms uh deep detailed engineering designs it forces contractors to give you more data and by creating a contractual mechanism to award projects with to them they get paid you get what you need right those contracts don't exist today and this is really important Right? In order to change the mechanism, you have to create a lever for change. So in the UK, they created all these books that define how capital projects are awarded and how additional points are awarded or

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reduction in the cost of capital to deliver those projects. So by doing so, you get a better delivery, digital delivery. And it's not that they don't have this information. All the AAC firms today have this information. They do all these deep engineering studies. We just haven't um capitalized on that so to speak by making it creating a vehicle where they deliver that information. >> Thanks everybody. Great discussion. Just look around. Um it we're here because we're all interested in how do we

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transform the way we do projects and improve them. And that's the whole idea of this stakeholder group is to bring together people that want to work on this, are interested in it, are trying to help make things happen. So this is great. We've had a lot of good comments and discussion already. Um I love that idea. If you want something, you have to ask for it or you won't probably won't get it. And if you ask for it, you have to check it to make sure you got it or you probably won't get it either. So,

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um, those are all critical things that start with the contract and the owner's in charge of all that. So, this is what's very exciting as a group of predominantly owners here that we can be talking about these things. Um, thanks everybody. U, we're going to keep going with this general topic. Of course, we're going to move on now to um uh the next section of our agenda. And Matt, I think you're gonna kick that off and then we'll be throwing over to Ashto. Or you want me to just um Yeah, we're just

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going to uh have next hear from Ashtto, which interestingly is the collective of owners, state department of transportation owners. Um, you know, I spent most of my career working with people that build vertical structures, the federal government agencies that build buildings. And interestingly, there's no federal um uh building administration like there is a federal highway administration. There's no association of building owners like there is an association of state highway transportation officials. So the the

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opportunity to use that leverage that we have is really interesting and and helpful and I think uh an important thing. So hearing from AASHTO now is a great opportunity. ASHTTO we like to stay updated on what they're doing for the stakeholder group and where things are going. So um I think we are going to hear from Jennifer if she's available online to give an update on JTCEes and then Trisha's going to talk about Jstand and then Ashtto is going to do some general conversation. >> Yeah. So we're fortunate that we've got

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members that um are very engaged with ASHTTO. uh you know, of course, every state is involved with AASHTO, but we we have some of the members that are are really kind of leading some of those efforts, and we like to have them kind of update us on progress with things that are going on. Um Jennifer unfortunately wasn't able to to join us here uh on stage, but she was online, so I'll just see if we can if Jennifer had anything she wanted to mention. Um, >> yeah. Can you hear me? >> We can. We can. Thank you, Jennifer. Go

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ahead. >> Um, I had a few slides, but I don't have to share them. They're not very many, so that's okay. >> We can make you a presenter, Jennifer, if you do want to share them. >> Okay. Well, let me see if I can get it to share. Let's see. >> All right. Can you see them? Yes, we see your slides in mode or in a presentation mode. >> Yeah. Are we good? >> Yes. >> All right. So, I've only got a few. So, you're lucky. All right. Yes. I wish I could be there.

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So, in October, I had knee surgery. And then last week, I s decided to fall down some stairs and try to break the ankle on my good leg. So, I'm not ignoring you all. I just can't seem to to get healed. But, um, I'm Jennifer Lloyd. I'm from the Tennessee Department of Transportation. I'm the design director and I'm the lead of the 3D model efforts. Um last year I became the chair of the joint committee on electronic engineering standards. Um al which made me a member of J stand

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and um recently a member of this new group. Oh where is all my stuff? Okay. So um I believe Sam Woods filled in for me uh back in October. So a lot of this is repeat for most of you. Uh this committee's been around for se several years now and um we came together to define data needs, information requirements and industry standards. Um we've had a lot going on. If you go out to the ASHTTO website, look up the technical committees, you'll see that we have a lot of things that we've already

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published. Uh level for development. Um some BIM information is out there. Uh, but go check that out. I didn't put the link in there. You're better off just to go Google it and see that what we've completed up to this point. Really slow on my end. So, sorry. There we go. I did want to show you the members. I think sever several of them are in the the room today. Um, I believe Sam is online and Alan Millie is out there. Um, I believe with you guys, couple of others I think are in the

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room. Um, we've got a really good gra uh really good group. We also have several that are friends of the committee that are in the room that are new. Um, so one thing that we do a lot is just share what we know. So, that's something that uh we did at the beginning in the committee on design. Um that I would tell all of you if you're in a committee in a group, that's one of the best things to do when you all get together is just talk about what's new in your state, you know, and what what have you

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done recently um that's good or bad that you can share with the group as a whole. Okay. So, one thing that I mentioned earlier is we do have webinars. If you go out to our site now, we have them all recorded. We have anything from states that are just beginning uh to some that are in the middle and and to others that are way down that path that are already trying to get um information, you know, back in asset management. Um a wide variety of information. We have some on pulled funds. Uh there's some

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information out there. um Alexa Mitchell, many of you probably know her from HDR. Um some um studies that that she's done. Um gosh, there's so many out there. I think we've probably got at least 10 to 15. And like I said, we're going to pick those back up every other month. So, please go out there. Um build your knowledge, look at those, and see what we've done. Let's see. And here's the other things that I wanted to mention. We have published the 3D model as the legal

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document. We're updating that now because when we first put that out there, uh it it hit on a lot of things, but what it did not hit on enough was um asset management. You know, some things that we looked back at and said we probably should have, you know, included that. And then the other part of it, there's five port or five parts of it now. But really as as you get further into it and you have more pilot projects, you really realize, well, we probably should have done that a little bit sooner in the process. Um, and a lot

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of those things are who you get involved. And we all talked about contractors and that we had those at the first meeting. You really need to let them know, you know, it's coming a lot sooner. So things like that that we've thought about moving those up much sooner in the process. So that's some of the things that we're updating in that 3D model. um and adding those lessons learned from several of the states and just giving some some people some examples. Um other things that we do

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that I kind of mentioned earlier, review and input on some of the other things that are going on. Uh Sam Woods is my co-chair. He's been great. John Wilkerson was on the committee, but he's moved on to be um working with a consultant, but we're looking at, you know, what are they doing and going through their information and talking through that with them. And like I said, we have others on the committee. They're on pool funds, so we do look at look at that information for them. And we're

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going to go on and start working on our agenda this next month. Um I forgot to mention on the first one uh before this committee was um formed. I had already talked to Trisha when I first started you know uh meeting with her group that she and I you know we need to start meeting with each other. So we had already invited um her to come to our August meeting and Melissa said well let's just meet every six months. So, she'd already come with us in February of this year, but now that we're on this

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group, we may not need to meet every six months. And that's really all I had. Great. Thank you so much, Jennifer. I hope you get well soon. Hi everybody. Trisha Stfansky. I feel so loved said I think my name has been said three times. Either that or I feel a lot of pressure. One or the other. >> It's up here that pressure presentation. So >> Jan You're all done. >> Okay. Um, hi everybody. Trisha Stfansky, if we haven't met, I would love to meet you again. So happy to be on this

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committee and hearing everybody talk about asset management because that is my thing that I do. um more on the data side though, not so much on the planning side. We do not um have the TAMP in our office, but we are stewards of software. We're looking at data interoperability, nice connect. We have a project um through the ADCMS grant. Um and then I love being involved nationally. So again, thank you. And I feel like I just told Alan, it's like between Jennifer, myself, you, we're on every committee.

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Just like we're we're everywhere, but that's good. And then plus I need to get stuff done back home. So I keep telling my folks otherwise I won't be here anymore. I won't be able to present. Um, so I have been chair of Jan for about two years. Uh, Will Holmes is my vice chair. I feel like you're my co-chair, Will, but I want to say thank you to all the work that you've done internationally. We're going to hear from building smart today. Um, so JSAN is at a little bit of a transition. So

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I'm going to go through these slides. You've seen these already, some of you. I really don't have a lot of updates on the JSAN side. Um, but I want to talk about what is it. Uh, it was formed in October 2019. I always say I dream about this resolution. I've been dreaming so much lately. It's really cool. Go to the chiropractor. Um, and it'll help you dream. Anyway, so this this was formed JSAN through a resolution uh 2019. It was a long time ago. Um but really this solidified this committee to say it's a

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crosscutting committee. Uh two members from these various uh parent committees you can see on there as well as policy program delivery and operations enterprise cross discipline and special committee the Ashttoware committee. Um so you can see that forms our JSAN and we have some new members um that I'm going to say thank you for joining us. So this is it. It was established through resolution um back in 19. What is our mission? I' I've heard and I've been told we shouldn't use the word

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schema, but I just really like that word. I mean who doesn't, you know, raise your hand if you like the word schema. That's what I thought. We got some takers on that. So J standard was was formed to champion and coordinate efficient information th flow throughout the life cycle of assets and related information that comprise our transportation systems. And it says this will be achieved through open data standards. That's a really important word. Open data standards, right? Data governance. We've already seen some of

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those, you know, challenges in data governance. There it is. Schema development and collaboration with public and private partnerships. So we did look at this mission um probably a year or two ago and said does this mission still fit Jan? We maybe tweaked it from the previous years but I really think it does. So again thank you to Ashtto for forming this committee and saying this is important um and we need to do this work. So here are does it oh I got to hit the cursor. Woo new members. At one point I was like well can you

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please be a member? Can you please be a member? Now we have people coming to us. So I'm very grateful for that. So I want to welcome again Alan Melly. Yay. Sitting next to me. Um and Janet Treadway from Ohio. So I said somebody else was from Ohio. So over here. So Janet's joining us too. We have some vacancies. So we're looking for some additional folks, but again everybody's busy. So it's a commitment. You might want to do it. You might say I love it. But it's a commitment of time. Um but

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really we're looking for a couple more people here um in vacant positions. So what happened? I think Jstan was saying, you know what, we need to have something happen here. We need to um be able to adopt modern data standards. We need funding because it gets very technical very very fast. And so we were pushing and pushing and thank you to the strategic management committee um for saying let's put together an ASHTO task force. So this task force being led by Brad, thank you Brad for letting me be a

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part of it. Brad's going to speak after this slide, but basically to say we need to figure out how to do this. um JSEN was set up as a governing or yeah governing body to to say we want to do it but now it's how can we get it done and so you can see this this is kind of the multi-disiplinary task force will review the importance and impact of digital delivery on state DOS and develop recommendations and opportunities to enhance and improve the integration of BIM and digital delivery across ASHTO structure so this is a fast

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committee again I don't want to take away your thunder Brad we don't have a lot of time though and so we're really working on um through this task force and Jan is there to support this task force right now. So I think that's it Brad and I can turn it over to you. Do you want me to leave this slide? >> Just leave that slide. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> I don't have slides. All right. Well, thank you Trish. Um yeah, you really set the table uh uh nicely there. So, I am Brad Wicker. I'm

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director for the Michigan Department of Transportation. I don't know about a couple few months ago. Uh Ashtto asked if I would be willing to chair this group. Um I will tell you in a previous life I was a real engineer. Uh I I did CAD work way back in the in the 1900s. Uh maybe early 2000s a little bit. Uh anybody remember IGRDS? I got about three or four of us. Yeah. All right. This was interactive graphic road design system I believe. Um so so I have a background in in in that but it was a while ago. Uh but since then after

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holding a few different positions I've had leaderships in our our department's design division and in development. So uh a lot of the things that we're talking about with our vision for digital delivery um were kind of born back in those days. And I I always appreciate having these these uh kind of national conversations because I think it validates a lot of the same issues that we see at home and in the things that we were trying to do. Heck, we were starting to do digital delivery or dig

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design deliverable enhancements, I think we called it, probably 15, 20 years ago, not knowing that, you know, 20 years later, we'd still be kind of churning through some of the same issues that we were having back then. So, back to this role specifically for ASHTDO. Um, there there's kind of four main purposes to uh this group. The first uh and foremost purpose is really what is ASHTO's role as the collection of states you know are we going to be setting standards or are we uh going to be you

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know more in the business of of kind of the foundational pieces and coordinating um so so really I think one of the biggest things we need to define as a group of states is what is ASHTTO's role when it comes to digital delivery. Um, we also need to talk about things like what's the organizational decisionm uh structure within ASHTO on on how we ballot some things. Uh, we know that we need to um look for key partners and I think uh coming being part of the DDSG and having uh been involved in some of

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these conversations, it's actually helping make that more clear. Yes, the states can work together, but we know there's a whole industry out there, whether it's, you know, the um the actual providers, whether it's contractors, whether it's consultant engineers, uh and and probably many more. Um there's going to be a lot of folks that we really need to uh engage with. So, you know, I heard a lot today and I love the menty meter thing where I'm a visual person, probably why I'm a civil

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engineer. Um, we talked a lot about standards and and I think going back to the role, um, we're going to really want to hear from folks again. What is what is our role going forward? Um, with that, you know, like I said, I don't have a PowerPoint here. I'm not coming here today to tell you exactly what this task force is going to do. I think uh this discussion right now is just to kind of set the table on on what the mission of this uh task force is. And oh, by the way, I think Trish

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mentioned it's it's really quick. Well, I get to give an update to the to the board of directors at ASHTO next month on what we're doing. And supposedly by November, we're supposed to be pretty well wrapped up. So again, this uh effort and this task force is not going to be to figure everything out. I think it's going to be again defining what our role is and setting that foundation uh as we move forward. So that's really all I had from uh you know kind of my discussion. I guess I would like to know

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from any of the states um that are here or or industry folks if in fact they had any thoughts on what role ASHTO as the group of state DOS should be playing uh in this in this space and that can be from folks that are already part of this or or no part of it I Yes. One of the things I will tell you I'm really curious about. I think when we talk to the states, a lot of us are fairly well aligned. Everybody's at different levels obviously, but I'd really like to hear from industry. You know, what what

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should ASHTO's role be? Uh Federal Highway, we're going to have to talk to Federal Highway Federal Highway's role. We want to make sure we're not being duplicative in a lot of things, but again, kind of playing our part. So, anybody have any thoughts or ideas on on where AshTDO itself should be playing in this space? Charlie Verscell, Iowa DOT. Yeah, I I do think that ASHTSTO has a role in in creating and maintaining standards in this space. I think probably the states are best positioned to do that. I know

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that's going to be a challenge. Uh we were chatting earlier about you know Ashtto has had a long tradition of setting other types of standards the green book and various other types of design guides and things like that and and that's really been a strength of ASHTTO over the years. Uh but as I think about who is best positioned to do this it does seem to me that uh the states through AASHTO are are well positioned to do this. Um, I think it's been pretty clear from the federal highway friends

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here that they're not intending this group to be a standard setting group. Um, and so that leaves the question, you know, what uh what other group would step into that role to help kind of pull together standards. I'm certainly glad the federal highways objectives for this group is to support and and facilitate the discussion about standards. I think that's very helpful. Uh, but I guess I would speak in favor of it being a thing that Ashtto does. >> Appreciate that. >> So, I'm not usually shy. Um, Will

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Holmes, Kentucky DOT, I I think ASHTTO has a critical role to play to help channel and focus the states to enhance and deliver the open standards that already exist. So it's it's not that um IFC is perfect by any stretch, but if we start at pretending we're at ground zero and reinvent a standard, we're going to be years behind. Whereas if we can take what exists, work with our international partners, we can get further farther faster, which also lets the private sector software development firms focus

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on complying with one standard instead of competing standards. So we get the software we need to drive our business. >> That That's a great point. And um I'm I'm glad that there's at least two of us who believe we don't we're not recreating something right now. Let's let's look at the tools that we have right now and how do we how do we enhance those as as we move forward. Um, not to put anybody on the spot and and and if you don't feel like answering that's fine, but I am super curious to

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hear from industry, you know, the actual developers, whether it's an Autodesk product or a Bentley product or those folks. Um, is standardization important to you as a business so that you know potentially you can work with multiple states kind of on the same platform. or is that not something that that you're interested in? I'm sure there's probably proprietary things and maybe you don't want to speak, but it's just a thought that's been going in my head. Go ahead. >> Hey, Dan Belchure from Bentley. Yeah, I

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agree with what Will said. The more we can standardize, the easier it is for us developers to create the software you need. You know, 52 different agencies across the country, 100 different ways of doing things is it makes it very difficult for us. Uh Terry Klein um Infoch, we make Ashttoware project for Ashtto. We just went through many years of effort moving states from site manager to Astrawware project. And one of the main reasons that took so long and and was so painful was the level of customization allowed in site manager.

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It's standards are huge and configurability without customization is huge as well. It saves us time and money. It saves you time and money. It saves all of the consultants and contractors who use the technology time and money. It's very huge. So the good news is technology is much further than you guys are ready for today. Everything that you're developing today can be connected through what we would call a REST API. It's a it's the ability to go and grab and consume your information, not let it persist, which

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means you're not spinning servers where you don't need to. So what you're doing is fine, but what we would like you to do is look at the new mechanisms to go grab and pull that information in. Why? There's this little thing called AI and it's like that meteor coming. And you know, whether you want to look up or not, it's coming. In fact, I would say it's already here. and you could do things to accelerate what you have in rapid order. Um, if you're ready, there are certain a there are certain states

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which are down that path. Texas is is having some significant discussions in that path because one, they have the money and two, they have the scale. So, they're doing it for you. But that's just current best practice. But the technology companies are also working on the next two iterations, right? You you've heard of words like omniverse and metaverse and what we're able to do in that space. That's all being beta tested and run with clients today. Not here unfortunately because the adoption

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exception is is not ready. Right. The commercial paths that you guys have today for good reason mandate that you use certain pieces of technology and that's done for scale to put everybody on the same level and that's a good thing. But what we would like you to do is is say, "Okay, so what can we now do to help somebody like Trish?" I'm going to use that's number five. Trish, that's number six. You know, how can I use that to to automatically deliver that asset management information into my system so

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I don't have to spend, you know, tons of money with SIS and consultants which are going to eat my budget up and not give me what I need because I need it today, right? So, we're way ahead of the curve. We're we're happy to discuss on on what those modern technologies come uh come and look like and show you what they look like. I think as a consortium the uh you know, whether it be Autodesk or Bentley, we all need to sit down with you guys and say, "Look, this is where we are. You know, pick your poison. We

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all work together now." I mean there there's more competitive congruency within our software companies as there ever has been. In fact, I would say one works on the left and one works on the right and together we've got the whole thing sort of ticked. So when you guys are ready, we're waiting. I really appreciate that. Um I always say I don't think I've been to a single meeting in the last probably four or five years without AI coming up. Um, I feel like I know a little more about it

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than I did a year ago or so, but I think that just speaks to how fast the technology is moving and and sometimes I feel like we're kind of chasing it. Um, but I I agree that that has a potential to impact a lot of the things that we're talking about right now. So, >> nope. Go ahead. >> Oh, please. Hand raised online. Devon. >> Yes. Uh Devin for Calrans um BIM uh BIM program director. Uh loving the conversation. Um Calrans, we've been on our you know BIMdigital delivery, you know, choose your

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terminology, um uh path for the better part of this, you know, this past decade and and beyond that. Um, and there are just when it comes to ASHTO's involvement, I I I really do think from what we've seen where Ashtto could really help is very much along the lines of what's being talked about of helping to set these standards, but almost more so from a reinforcement of the DO's need for interoperability. Because it's one thing to say we're establishing, you know, IFC or whatever

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as a standard language. Even in that, each state has a lot of different state specific standards that go with it. And I'll use a very specific example that's been causing a lot of problem for us in California. Um, most of the software is focusing at international fee. We still do the US survey fee because of guidelines established by the state of California for how our surveyors work. But many of the tools are struggling to do that what should be a simple translation and there's a lot of extra

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work that goes into it. So for the different committees of Asha being able to support what the DOS need. I think the big thing is establishing standards on the interoperability from these different software tools and developers that are out there to help alleviate these one-off struggles that most of us are tending to have to have to deal with. Um, I know that there's solutions for it. I'm a big proponent of, you know, AI being a future part of this, but the intentionality as we do this

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because, you know, like it or not, some of our states all have to go back to very strict engineering be able to back it. You know, there's solutions to all this, but I think helping to really establish that that standard framework that all of the vendors that we're trying to work with could understand and stick to would really help. Thank you for that. I I I do agree that interoperability is is going to be a big issue. You know, even in our own state, we've been at this a long time and we've

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typically played around the design to construction uh phase of asset life cycle knowing that our maintenance folks also had a different system and you know how do we make sure that you know once that data is born and created that we kind of keep that and and nurture it around the asset life cycle. So very good point. Um again like I said there I really don't have a lot to tell you about what this task force is doing but what we are doing is having today these sorts of conversations so we can understand kind

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of where's our lane what's our role and I think once we understand that we can start putting some of the other pieces around the structure and whatnot. Any other thoughts before I uh close out here from um >> online? >> Oh yeah. Is there any others online? Absolutely. If folks have uh questions or comments. We got a lot bigger room here than I thought there would be. And I it sounds like we got quite a few folks online as well. So that's great. Here we got one in the room.

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>> Hi guys. Uh bring in a different perspective. Um coming from a consultant, my name is Ally Walters. I'm with H&TB. Um just making some connections here. So national standards, we've been talking about the CAD and the information requirements. I completely agree. And I just wanted to add that um sorry standing in front of a room of all of our peers getting a little lightheaded here. But um one thing I I think that would be really helpful is we heard on the opening ceremony that um

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you know ASHTO is looking to in the reauthorization bill talk about project delivery efficiencies. So how can we continue this conversation and connect digital delivery to the needs that we have in the industry? So thank you for taking the time. >> Great point. uh reauthorization is one of our top issues that we have right now as a group of states and one of our core principles there is the implementation of technology. It sounds like we have a federal administration that's very uh excited and very pro technology

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to help us move the needle on these things. Again, um we'll just need to figure out what our place is in pushing that. Go ahead, sir. Uh I think one area that the task force could have a a great impact on is one of the most significant things that I've seen happen in probably in the last 10 years happened at the end of 2025 and that is Autodesk, Bentley, Ezri and Treble all collectively joined the Ashttoear uh enterprise alliance program. I'm not sure that to me that's a starting point.

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It's an applaudable starting point, but somebody needs to lead that alliance and establish standards for uh open data interoperability. I I don't know that any particular technology provider is going to do that on their own. Uh but coordinating those efforts I think would be a wonderful contribution. >> Is that alliance like active? The alliance program for from ASHTO has been out for a while, but the uh these four companies joining the enterprise level just happened in November of uh

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2025. >> Great. Thank you for that. That's a good data point for us to look at. There is one more person online. >> John Simmons. Yeah, I was I'm actually a uh data provider. Uh Scitech Scitec Indiana currently working on some Michigan road modeling. Uh we work with Indiana DOT, Illinois DOT, Missouri, Iowa. Um and we do a lot of modeling, uh highway models. Um where has the So we talked about machine control and again this is the first year I've gotten into this uh meeting but they John Deere Caterpillar

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Kamasu Hitachi have all got together and created an ISO XML ISO standard that they're using more for their digital delivery in the cloud. So as I do a model and if I want to send it to a topcon machine like a machine or trimble machine I can use that standard to go to these machines or has is ashtto is ASHTTO part of that group is that is that an initiative that's moving forward? Um >> go ahead. >> I'm not specifically aware but I think you've just given us a couple more

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partners to uh to consider. um as we're we're we're going to kind of build this out. But uh very good point. I appreciate that. But >> what what what was the group again, John, that you were talking about specifically? >> Am I still live? >> Yep, you are. >> Yeah. So, uh, I we work we we are a supply channel for Treble Construction and we do a lot with CAT, but the standard that we work with as an XML is it's called ISO5143-4 and you can do a Google search on it,

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but it was developed by a group uh several people, John Deere, Caterpillar, Kamasu, Trimble, Topcon, Leica, and what they've done is they've tried to develop a standard uh to the field solution so that if I build a model, I only have to use that XML standard to go to these machines in the cloud. So, it can transfer digitally and it's uh it's it's kind of it's it's a big conversation in our construction world and a lot of contractors are starting to be aware of it. So, the

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cloud services that a lot of these machines use are wanting to use this standard Great. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Uh either here in the room or online. Not hearing any right now. Kevin, did I cover pretty much everything? All right. Well, thank you so much for your time. I'm going to be around. Uh Kevin Marsha from MASHTO is around. Um if anybody else has any thoughts, uh wants to chat, um please do so. We're more than welcome to any input we can get. So, thank you for your time today. Appreciate it.

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Thank you, Brad. Next up, um so we do we do have representation on the stakeholder group from Building Smart USA. Uh that's Ian How. I understand that he's pretty busy with the upcoming uh international event that they have. um next week. Uh but we do have uh both Calvin and Tony available to give us some updates on um some of their education items that they're doing out of Building Smart. But we obviously see Building Smart and their efforts uh as a collaborative partner here in the standardization uh

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arena. >> We'll see if we can get I think I saw Tony on. >> Yeah, I'm uh I'm here. And is it okay if I share my screen so that I can advance the slides? >> I think that would be perfectly fine, Tony. >> All right. So, hopefully you're seeing a slide. Yeah. >> Okay. So, thank you, Roger. uh for inviting us um of the building smart team to give an update on education. Um I and uh Dr. Calvin Cam who who is u has given us a recorded um talk uh will be presenting today uh first on what we're

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doing with the education committee and then uh more broadly how building smart is interacting uh globally to help us with training with standards and obviously uh through a connection with with nibs uh we can we are working together um on matters that that are appropriate to ASHTTO. So uh I'll I'll start by talking about the education committee itself. Uh we're a big group with representatives from academia, government, federal highways, private industry uh from around the country. uh plus Paul Woodard who's a

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representative from Canada who's been a prime author of building smart international education courses uh helps us expand our perspective consider things in terms of North America today we'll explore several topics but here's the main takeaway although open BIM and open standards can be wonderful mechanisms to support collaboration ation, creativity, well-informed business decisions, and data dur durability throughout many generations of software revisions. No tools can work well when the people

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using them don't know why they're valuable or how to use them. So, we're here to help. We'll touch on many topics today that you may want to explore more deeply. So, here's a URL to our website and a handy QR code that you can snapshot right now with your cell phone and be able to see what we're working on. In addition to the national efforts here in the US, our teams are also working with international groups. Uh we've been elected for another term representing the professional certification steering

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committee of building smart international and we volunteered to be the first chapter to review and adapt the new open BIM for infrastructure certification program. It was recently developed in Germanspeaking chapters. We're going to want your help. Yes, every one of you um to help us with this very soon to make sure that it speaks to what we need here in the US in the DOS and in federal highways. So if you go to our website, you can pick education committee. You can learn more about the range of activities we

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support including monthly webinars that are later posted to our YouTube channel, training and certification programs so that you can get a little badge on your resume and outreach efforts to the industry and academy. So you can you can just uh you can just click on that. Um from the US activities you can select webinars and learn more about our monthly webinar program. Here's another handy QR code. Uh the upcoming webinars are at the top. Note, we have a sweet one coming up on April 8th. And we also on April 27th will have

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a special presentation in collaboration with building smart international and the BIM supporters group giving highlights from four international BIM related summit summits that will take place simultaneously in March. We have topics planned through the end of the year. These include open bib in action series where teams present real world projects warts and all. We also have seeing is believing that highlights groundbreaking advances. This is assembled by our technical committee leaders Min and Scott and many other

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useful topics. The all there these are always free to attend. So if you see a topic you like, there's no harm in clicking that register button. Uh as you go down to the ondemand webinars, this is where our history is stored. Uh you can just press the topic name and that will bring up a window that will let you view from YouTube. Uh so you can you can see what you missed. Uh do note however that all of our webinars include live question and answer and discussion sessions. These are not recorded and

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posted on YouTube. Uh that's for two reasons. One, it gives you a little more incentive to come live if you have that opportunity, but two, it also allows us to have freewheeling conversations where people don't have to worry about being recorded forever on tape. Uh, you should check out the YouTube channel. Janice posts the videos there for all of our webinars and for many of our live events. Back at the top menu, you can also see resources. Uh, for example, we post all of our newsletters and we also have

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links to other industry publications that are shared with us. Um, let's let's get Ashtto up there on that list. Um, open BIM can be difficult to find information for. We understand that it's also difficult to harmonize from many different resources. That's true for those of us who work every day in the topic and especially for teachers grappling with new content. So the education committee recently embarked on a project to collect, collate, organize information from various sources to

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provide a coherent, easily digested package of information for teachers. We also believe that this will grow to be useful for everyone throughout the industry, especially through collaboration with NIB's federal highways and DOS. We hope that you will participate and help us develop useful practical knowledge. Building smart considers learning a lifelong journey that begins as people enter the industry and continues through various career paths. So there are four levels of training currently provided. Fortunately for us,

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the names kind of make sense. So the entry level is for those just entering or contemplating entering our industry. It provides a very basic overview and concept. All that information is available online. You can take a quick test and get engaged with the community that way. Foundation provides a fundamental understanding of open BIM principles and technologies. The management level provides insights into how open BIM projects unfold differently to traditional projects, how to set up and meet requirements for those. This is

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especially useful to people who are engaging in an open BIM project for the first or second time. Uh and then practitioner provides handson instrumental capability. We're building that functionality out now and we definitely would like to help uh have help from the DOS to help us understand where the most important challenges are and how we can provide a certification course that's actually useful here in the US. uh we are aware that a lot of the building smart international information comes from global resources

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and we want to make sure that what this chapter is offering in the US makes sense and is practical and practicable. Though yes, we do offer certification training here. Training providers in the chapter offer the foundation course valuable in its own right and this qualification also opens the door to more advanced courses. We also offer special training courses here in the US. You can see in the upper right, these are things we've developed specifically in our chapter. Um, leveraging open BIM for project

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management helps teams optimize open BIM use and it's very important for people who are grappling with this transition to digital delivery methods. The open BIM applications course helps give a survey about what software is available and some pointers in how to select software that's going to work for folks. The courses that are offered in the US chapters, although they're all based on the international framework, do have examples where we've increased the number of examples and teaching

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formats that are specifically engaged in horizontal infrastructure. So, we're including practical and inspirational examples uh to the more general building smart curriculum. We even offer quizzes so that as people are going through the material, they can see what they're understanding. We do put in a few Easter eggs, especially for our transportationminded folks. uh we also give clues as to what might be the more expected answers. So we mentioned briefly this new open BIM for infrastructure course. It's now

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under development in collaboration with some European chapters. We hope to have it available for review in the US very very soon and we're especially eager to have transportation professionals engage with us to review this curriculum, align it with us practice so that it will usefully meet our needs here in the United States. Please email us at this address educationbuildingsmart. us to be part of the team that's reviewing. We already have some DOS and a representative from federal highways

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um aligned with us, but we obviously like to hear from all the DOS to make sure it's meeting everyone's needs. Um, I think Devin pointed out just a few minutes ago that when these standards are based on international practice, they don't necessarily meet US practice or the practice and needs of every individual DOT. We want to overcome that and make sure that the US chapter serves all the US participants. Um, we want this to be relevant. So, with that, um, here's our address. We're always eager

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to hear new voices, um, opportunities that you would like to see. Tell us how we can do a better job. Join our committees. So, with that, um, I'd like to play a recording that was provided for us by chapter president Dr. Calvin Cam. He can't be with us in this moment because he is traveling to a building smart international um event that's taking place. But let's see if we can uh I want to make sure that you'll be able to hear his voice. So, Roger or somebody shout out if you don't hear Calvin

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speaking. >> Thank you, Tony. And uh hello to all our federal highway uh DDSG uh stakeholder group member. Um I wish I could be there in Chicago in person with you. Um and uh and and let's work on it. Uh I I I I hope that I think this kind of stakeholder meeting it's very very important. And so uh as Tony mentioned um uh we at Building Smart USA with the professional certification we're it's working on um being a bridge between what building smart international it's doing globally and what we see as the

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unique value proposition as the unique opportunity for our um for our um um um uh DOT community and let's put that into perspective uh in terms of what the other 39 N are the global chapters are doing and what buildings smart international is doing. So let me give uh one another some updates. So uh first of all uh when we talk about the foundation basic course it is currently one of the four offerings at BSI. You see on this image that we have entry uh anybody can tune in and get kind of like

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the uh open beam 101 uh um um entry uh level uh knowledge um um basically free of charge basically very accessible. And then beyond foundation we also have a practitioner course uh which um in the US we have that capability we are ready to launch and and and and and in fact we are we are ready for any professionals to team up and to get hands-on with open BIM how do you addit open BIM file how do you do QAQC how do you get those and then also at the same time also in the US we are ready to bring the management

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mindset how do we bring um open beam with procurement with project management into play. Uh yet at the same time globally just to put things into perspective there are over 20,000 qualified professionals globally. many of them um happen to be German speaking uh happen to be Europeans um happen to be um globally uh um uh practicing uh and and then in the US we are very delighted very happy that with federal highway with seven states DOT by now over the last couple years we have 49 49 qualified professionals um having

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gone through the foundation basic course uh which is more about the the vocabulary the basic definition, basic value proposition of open bin. Uh but yet what more can we do together to not only improve this number but to bring the other causes the entry, the practitioner and management into play. uh beyond education um our chapter building smart USA chapter it's also working very uh much along with 39 other chapters to cuate and to keep track of all the global mandates open mandates like federal highway like ASHTTO uh like

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a lot of the DOT we do see there may be some intense is it a pilot is it a mandate is it a policy um to adopt open beam in your um respective um public projects, right? Uh so indeed globally from Denmark to South Korea, Australia, there are over 10 countries you have some form of such mandates out there. And beyond mandates uh there are also more and more uh countries cities like Finland, like uh uh Dubai, like uh Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan to name a few um who are requiring uh open beam submission as part of the permit

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approval as part of the um the agency uh approval uh for any projects. So um our team with building smart USA it's also contributing uh a lot uh and and our firm at SBI it's also doing a lot to contribute to those study uh yin kind uh or with uh with uh with some of our own funding and then um the other part of what we also doing uh that we think would be of um interest to the DDSG is that what exactly is the value are the business impact of open bin right So um as some of you may know um uh with Tony myself

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and also uh what we have done at Stanford University with SBI we also contribute a lot to what are the metrics right so um these are what we have been um um um uh documenting have been interviewing have been uh kind of like reporting with building smart international all the awardwinning projects out there um over the last 5 10 years what were the metrics what were the business value, right? So, uh if we are talking about using open BIM, the BCF, the IDS, the the uh the all the open beam unique solution, how are they

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better than just using BIM? Uh uh so we are able to quantify that you have those um uh metrics that we group into eight major categories from decision- making, project delivery, uh costing, quality, uh um uh asset asset management, uh uh time reduction, uh safety very important uh and also management perspective and in fact uh building smart international uh building smart Portugal Brazil with our chapter and with uh iPhone uh contributing. We are working on that uh topic globally and so would that be something relevant for federal

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highway for uh the DDSG also certainly something that we are standing by to contributes uh basically can we use the same dot stick globally to talk about reduction of time to talk about we uh improvement of quality to talk about uh uh reduction of change order to talk about better handover right so how can we be able to uh not only report those highlights but be able to defend it to explain it to have a trail of how we measure the the the leading indicators the controllable factors versus some of

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the outcome uh metrics and then uh what you see on photo is what we were invited to Brazil to Sapalo a year ago and once again this coming May this year to contribute to that 1,500 people uh summit uh in which uh uh we also led a 3-hour smaller group workshop that you see on the right hand side uh to articulate okay in Brazil they were able to report 12% reduction of change order um uh um uh and um uh and and and uh also by the time in terms of uh um um uh labor hours and uh uh uh quantity take off in terms of um uh being able to

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resolve items. So those were some of the metrics that we were able to um articulate uh to work with the professionals uh in Portuguese in that time and English uh um in terms of what were important for them to track and uh and how are they uh measuring it and reporting it. So we look forward to doing that in Brazil again. But similarly, what more can we do with the uh community uh here in the US, right? Um a few minutes ago I talked about the awards. Uh over the years we are happy to see some um uh state DOS and some

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leading engineering firms in the states are able to participate able to win some awards from the international building smart uh awards program. Yet we also do see that there are many more uh roads and bridge out there from Germany, from Norway, from Sweden, from elsewhere that uh Switzerland and elsewhere that uh that that we can learn that are doing some amazing things. Uh so similarly what may be some of the metrics we can learn what are some of the open beam story we uh what more can federal

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highway DDSG we do together to invite them to share the stories to reach out to them to compare notes uh also why uh next week um many of us will be uh we'll be tuning in to the building smart international summit in Portugal. uh if anyone of you is interested. I understand that uh getting a plane to Portugal may be a little bit tough uh uh uh uh too close but then uh it's everything will be available online live and also uh recorded so please do tune in anytime. Uh in the end I would also

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like to highlight some of the activities we have in the US. Uh so uh from the uh engagement workshop to the webinars that we hold um kind of like focusing on on what you do with BDSG um like the events we had in San Diego last November uh to what more we can do to um really get all the solution providers to get all the states um uh kind of like uh case studies to be celebrated um uh we all years. We would love to see what we can do more with um um all of you on this call cuz you can see that your

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participation as a member as a collaborator with building smart uh it's very critical and uh and what we hope is that we can uh help be a bridge to bring all the peers from 39 other chapters globally uh who share the same problems who share the same value proposition to more collaborate with us uh so that we all can do it more effectively together. So with that, uh, let me pass it back to Tony and team. Thank you. >> Okay. So, thanks a lot, folks. Uh, that's that's it for us. Apologize for

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running over time. >> Thanks, Tony. Uh, I encourage anybody if they've got any questions for for Tony or or Building Smart to reach out to them directly. um or you know if you're in the the Zoom environment I think he'll still be available to chat with if you want to send him some chats. I will just uh share that uh Devon who's our Calrans member said that they had some of their BIM for infrastructure program leads take uh some of the BSI offered trainings some time ago and it was

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immensely useful for their folks to better understand how this goes beyond digital CAD and it involves so much more to be successful in transitioning to a digital way of connecting all stakeholders and customers in a better process. So, a good endorsement there from Calrans. Um, we will be taking our break and returning uh to hear some uh updates and information from the National Transportation Pulled Fund projects or the TPF projects. Um, it'll be a brief break and we will start up right away at

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uh 3:25. >> Say 3:30. >> No. Um, and if you want, um, we have some nice cold water in the back, but there's also other beverages available down There's still a lot of people. >> Yeah, we we we know you're enjoying your time visiting. We're going to get started up. I already missed my deadline for starting up. So, um if you could find your seats or if you the conversation's important. Um and it may be, if you could just move it outside the room, it'd be much appreciated.

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Uh we have uh first of all I guess is uh I we understand that some of you are still not getting the emails that are being pushed. So we're going to try and resolve that. Um, if you are not going to be here physically tomorrow, but you still want to participate virtually through the Zoom link, you can register and get the Zoom link directly through the DDSG hub. So, if you go to the DDSG hub, you'll see the two events. And if you go into one of those and scroll like all the way to the bottom, there should

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be a like a registration for that Zoom event. and that should push you the Zoom link for tomorrow's meeting directly if that's what you intend to do to participate tomorrow uh versus being uh present here. We'll continue to work on or figure out why the distribution isn't getting out there, but just wanted to let you know that you can register directly to get the Zoom link if if that's what you're trying to to accomplish. Um, next up on the agendas, we've got uh a couple updates on our national

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transportation pulled fund projects. There's uh both one that's uh dedicated for BIM toward for structures and then a BIM for infrastructure. Um, and they're in various phases have a lot of DOT involvement, DOT funding. they are, you know, DOTled transportation pulled funds, but uh many of uh your colleagues uh have contributions and are part of those pulled funds in some capacity. Um and then I always like to mention that there's still room to be added. So, if you're a state that didn't know that

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these pulled funds were happening or you're looking to find some pulled funds to invest in and add your contribution, they're they're always willing to to bring in new participants. Um, the first update we have is from uh Jim uh on the BIM for bridges and structures. Jim, we think you're there. We'll have to get your screen shared. We see your screen. >> Gotcha. All right. I am. >> Take it away. >> I am here. And you guys got my screen? >> We do. >> Perfect. Um, well, there's really no

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major updates for BIM for Bridge, but I got a few other things to talk about. I will try to get us back up to speed. First off, I'm Jim Halber with the Iowa DOT, chief structural engineer, BIM for Bridge, pulled fund tech rep, and BIM software validation file certific file validation software certification, pulled fund tech lead. I'm going to zip few of few things. um from a BIM for bridge standpoint since we don't have any there is a presentation open road and bridge summit and I pasted a link to that if you have

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any questions about BIM for bridge BIM for infra you can go to that use that link navigate to it and you should be able to get some information that you're looking for uh the final report and supporting technical solution I going to try to paste that in the link before the meeting's over today. Um the final report is quite lengthy. If you do go there, I would focus on the IDM digital delivery or US data addictionary ids's and the the technical deliverables that we got out of now there were some indirect outcome you

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earlier one indirect outcome for is AR19. the other was help so she gets a little more kudos. Um she is now the chair of that committee and it's a very important committee. We really need to get that place so we have a place to host and post all these data governances as we're developing them. And if I have any internet connections, just let me know. I'm right now I'm flying down the highway in Oklahoma. started the meeting off in Texas, but things are going well. So, um, next thing I'll bring up is we had a poolled

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fund, joint poolled fund summit with, uh, BSI leadership. Uh, there was representatives from BIM for bridge, Ben for infer, and there was an Astro rep. I I think it was Will Holmes was there for the meeting. Um, and BSI leadership from uh, oversees the N international leadership. Uh the agenda kind of focused on BIM or what BIM for bridge BIM for infra needed in implementing and some of the technical challenges we are having. Uh we also focused on the building smart international roadmap and future plans and what our next steps are

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going to be. Um so BIM for bridge we shared our focus items you know some of our challenges is software vendor support. um throughout these poolled funds and some other efforts in the pilot projects we have done a tremendous amount of software vendor support whether it's working with the CAD software you know coordination um we really need to get to that export to IFC button into the software um that's the first step we need to get to I know we're working on that um some of the other challenges we highlighted was

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geospatial location interoperability there is a need for that I know Ezri has taken some of our IFC pilot models and imported them. But there's different ways you can do location texonomy and alignments and so we need to get that kind of finalized with um the alignment based reference view MVD. And then the other thing we're focused you on is pilot projects. We Iowa is going to continue to do more pilot projects. I know other states are doing pilot projects. I know if you talk with Alan

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Melly, they have a very strong focus on delivering IFC with their bridge projects and I can't remember what his deadline but he would be happy to chat with you at any time. Um, building smarts focus areas that they discussed at this meeting was the IFC validation service. I will talk a little bit more about that later. We have a poolled fund that's looking at um some of the validation certification challenges um software certification. They are moving to adding software certification which I

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think they they need to do at least from an owner's perspective. We need to know we're using a software that can display and view IFC's properly. Um I building smart international made a commitment to finalizing and developing IFC 4.34.4. The IFC standard is out there, but there's still some work that needs to be done with the alignment based reference view. Um, through the poolled fund pilots and our efforts in utilizing the IDS's and data dictionaries. Um, we found a few things that need to be

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addressed yet and they're still going to work on IFC 5, which is needed. Um, we'll keep they're going to keep moving with that. Um, oops, sorry. You know, some of our other focuses was, you know, there's validation, but then there's also use case validation. We have developed the design to construction ex exchange. We have piloted that on a project. PENDOT piloted on two projects. Um, we're going to continue to pilot. We need a way to ensure each use case as it's developed,

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whether that be the fabrication and, you know, digital asbuilts and as we're moving forward, this poolled fund will help deliver that. This is documentation or an image of one of the opportunities. Um, this is the Iowa IFC model. Um, I think the email came out a day or two ago about EDC8 opportunities. I assume the FHWA is going to talk about that. Um, I know Thomas Hamsky's there in person and we've talked a little bit. We need to do some coordination, but this would be a great opportunity to start really

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focusing on open data standards that are interoperability. You know, everyone talks about, you know, AI, you know, AI and what we can do. You know, one of the things AI really benefits benefits from is structured organized data and IFC does that fantastically. Um, Iowa is going to continue to pilot this. Our next pilot, it's going to include BIM for bridge and hopefully BIM for infrastructure to design a construction exchange along with the BIM for bridge fabrication exchange. Um we're putting a

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tremendous amount of work into this. It's a unique opportunity we have and hopefully some other states will will join us for that. Um here's my ask for money I always do. Uh as part of the BIM for bridge and this p initial pilot projects we learned a tremendous amount. We updated our IDM our IDS's our data dictionary all based off that pilot work that was completed. And so one of the things our poolled fund and additional resources that are needed is you know these coordination meetings with the software vendors need

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to happen and how we do that you know in coordination with building smart international and building smart USA and who's leading that effort we need support for that um there's technical support calls that are needed. You know what we'd really like is many other states and I got an email today that another state is interested in participating in this effort. you know this if DOS don't use you know model as a legal document or IFC as their pilots and as that permanent record and the backbone of the

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digital twin software vendors are not going to implement it and you know seeing how we can move the model around what we can do and how we have that per permanent record with those IFC pilots it really allows you to start looking at reworking your workflows um you know I already mentioned the coordination with software vendors you know We're looking at Bentley, Treble, Autodesk, others. You know, we have a lot of them that we're working with with BIM for Bridge and we're going to keep doing that. And

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one of the most important part is lessons learned and how you know the documentation and everything that goes with that. If there's any Yeah. And if we're asking 15 grand a year, here's the ask for money. If you have any questions, you can talk with Thomas who is out there. You can email me. Email address will be in the slides. I'll send to Roger after uh I'm done presenting. Next item I'm going to talk about. Thanks to Lynn Warren with the FHWA, she was able to find some funding to help us

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fund our level of information needed to go along with our ADCM or with our BIM for Bridge um works workflow up progress. And basically the what we're looking at doing is developing a onetoone one to onetoone relationship with the IDM ids US data dictionary and a level of information needed. You know this is needed by DOS and the ACC ACEC. Um the guide specification for level of information needed for highway bridges to support you know development of BIM that provides a level of detail level of

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information for the bridge elements documented in Ashtto IDM the first edition. Um the outcome of this research will include a guide specification for level of information needed for highway bridges. the design and construction exchange. You know that this will provide the level of detail, level of development, level of information needed to utilize that ASHTTO IDM. Um defining level of information for each bridge element for the design to construction exchange. The guide specification will define information requirements for in

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interim design milestones. Currently, there are no IDMs for interim design milestones. There may be some regional differences. We're going to have to work or provide guidance in the document with how to deal with that. um would also include guidance for notes for implementation of this guy. The SH and hopefully this will align with our fabrication review and we'll be able to incorporate that and some some of that into the manual. Um so defining per ISO78171 level of information needed defines

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information in much more explicit terms than any prior standard like ISO 19650 or LOD. Um there are two aspects of level of information standard that make it particularly applicable to the problems we're trying to work. You know the first is that the the geometry definition includes parametric behavior. Um to be able to exchange geometric information using IFC how the geometry is construct constructed is important. You know if the model is a column and you use a disc sweep to create that vertical path or if you have a rectangle

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swept around a central axis you know that's different methods and this is where the level of information needed will facilitate you know defining how to do these. Um the second is that the level of information emp emphasizes positioning objects within a breakdown structure or schema. The alphame identity definition basically lets you map information from one schema to another. And I like the word schema too. It's awesome. Our our need is to map the modeling software data structure to that

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to the IFC schema. Um so in practice you know it's making sure we have a digital twin what looks like in a model view is that a pure model element is representing a real physical pure object and that's what all of what this does and this is providing that structured data the structured information that is really beneficial for AI. Um the model element table we have a physical pier broke down into a classification system as a substructure element that contains reinforcement in the model schema. Um they are pure

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elements as part of the substructure group and the specification they are concrete structures with structural reinforcing and the pay item schema. We can identify the pay items and finally we can provide the IFC mapping to the IFC column entity. This provides transparency and the clar clarity regarding how the model represents all of the different ways we define the physical column through the design and construction process. I think I got us back on track. This is my last slide. Um it's for IFC

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validation and software certification program. We just had our kickoff meeting for that poolled fund effort about two weeks ago. Um we came to some conclusions. what the poolled fund is really going to focus on. You know, we're going to have a discovery phase, but you know, it's really the and an implementation support, but the validation service um software certification is part of it, use case certification, but one of the other things is you know current validation h happens I think in Ireland with BSI. So,

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we need to bring that capabilities and service back to the US. Many states cannot send their data overseas. So that is one of the priorities of it. Um we're going to look at different methods of validation, what is appropriate, you know, there's IDS and IDS is great, but we want to really define and lay out the road map of what we're going to do. During our kickoff meeting, you know, we went over the goals which was enabling state DOS to specify certified IFC US industrial standard exchange requirement compliance software

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for roads and bridge projects and enable from consultants and contractors to enhance project legal document. We had some outcomes. You know where we ended up is we're going to start the discover phase and the this is going to be important part you know we determined allocation of resources estimated an allocation resources line we're looking at roughly 6 months and $150,000 to develop the discover phase during that discovery phase that will lay out the rest of the whole pool fund and as was noted earlier

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if anyone has interest in continuing to participate I think we're up to 15ish or so I'd have get an update from Kyle on full Kyle Cloop. He runs our research state program on the back side. Uh if there's any questions, you know, we're working on getting a scope from the contractor for this. Um any questions? Yeah, go ahead and ask them. >> Any questions for Jim on the two pulled fund studies you mentioned? >> What was that? I'm sorry. I am sitting in a car moving 75 miles an hour down

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the road. >> Fortunately, I am not driving. >> Well, that's good. I'm glad you're not. Uh um Jim, I was just asking if there were any questions. It doesn't seem like there are. Um we we heard most of your discussion. You broke up a few times, but it was minimal. If uh if anybody else uh wants to engage Jim, he's always available. Oh, we got one. Hold on, Jim. >> The Australians are um have gone to Kobe standards and they're using LOD 500 for bridge design. So what they're doing is

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they're predicting when bridges are going to fail and no longer to do its primary function which is to support load and they're using LOD500 to include all the contributo agents failure mode degradation mechanisms that that pull together in an algorithm so they can predict asset failure. This is what we would like to see. The models exist already. It's just they use it for private ind industry to make sure that their product goes to port. Right? So this is the mining industry, same assets, same asset classes, same

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configurations. They've just gone to a much deeper level so they can predict and budget ahead three, five, 10 year life cycles. So is there any thought about moving to a more proactive model for asset management? Absolutely. I mean, that's on our roadmap to deliver this and so we're working to get to that asset management. Um, there is an NCHRP project that Scott Becker and I drafted that's working on looking at digital well supplying information for digital twins and their needs. Um, my guess is in alignment with

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AR19, it'll start with IFC model as its backbone, but that's really starts looking at getting the internet of things together. I am not sure fully what they're doing in Australia with the data. You know, if they're collecting structural health monitoring or NDT data, integrating that with a model, but you know, there's although, you know, that standardization needs to happen. I I would be interested on what they're doing, you know, and I think the data standardization's one of them a very

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important item. Um there's a recent effort over in Norway with their snacks program. So, there's we have to have interoperability in a national standard and they actually themselves I'm not familiar but they just um posted that to a website oh couple month pretty much alignment looks in alignment like and so getting the status you know we're we're moving through our life cycle map one sector at a time. But next is we're working to as we get through as that's where we asset management.

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>> So it sounds like there's a few things to bring together there. Yeah, maybe we can get some connection. >> Some some of the transit agencies that don't require ADMS certification, they are going down this path. So uh the larger transmodal agencies New York, LA have gone down this path and there it's it's just whether they can um whether they can can acquire the right level of detail to actually you know do it at scale. >> So it's happening here. >> Yeah.

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>> I'm sorry. I think my internet cut out. I'm not sure how much of you heard of my answer that was supposed to get us back on track, but we're probably still running behind. >> That's okay, Jim. We appreciate you taking the time. >> We'll we'll follow up with you. >> Perfect. Thanks, Matt. >> Okay, pivoting. We've got the uh BIM for infrastructure transportation P fun and Katie. While we're waiting, who's all heard of the BIM of either of these poolled funds

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before? >> That's good. I'm glad to hear that. All righty. Can you hear me? I'm short. Got to do this. All right. I think we're running behind. I'll get this back on time. Bridge uh not bridge BIM for infrastructure pull update. We're going to give a big update or a little uh thing here. Try not to repeat what we've done before. So, we're trying to give some new information each time we're here. The key message is as I think we talked about before BIP for

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infrastructure its whole aspect is to try to create national standards that each state can use to scale towards everything that is not bridges and structures. So, infrastructure is a big thing. It's basically every other asset. So, bridges and structures got to focus on just one little aspect of it which obviously bridges are very important. They're very big things. They do a lot of stuff, but there's so many other ancillary assets, other things that are involved in it. So, we're focusing on

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those things. We're going to give a little update for the project status, talk about some engagement opportunities, and K's also going to do update on the BIM clearing house. So, with our update, we are transitioning from our first phase. We've gone from phase one where we're talking about state of the practice, trying to understand better about what is going on with all of the assets, gathering information, getting some information to build out so other states that maybe aren't part of the poolled

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fund can maybe maybe better understand what BIM is, why BIM is important to them, and then maybe convince them to maybe give money into the poolled fund so we can get these national standards moving a little bit faster and going along what we're trying to do. So like I said this is we're moving into now we're we're focusing on IDM IDM someone said that before I define it information information delivery manual it's kind of a human readable information that defines basically all the stuff you need

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to know about a certain asset and IDS we're talking about which is those computer readable things. So in this last year, we've been focusing on our design to construction and digital asbuilt focuses to try to get those assets up for the IDM. We're we're right now getting towards that. And as you see, there's some animations in here. I didn't make these slides, so sorry if I sound a little weird, but um we're focusing on those right now. We're getting to the review. Our technical

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advisory committees have gone through each of the aspects right now. So we've got four different taxs that are coming up. We got roadway geometry features, survey, earthwork and grading, utilities and drainage, traffic and geotechnical. The initial reviews of each of those IDMs have gone through and we're now going into the industry review to kind of get more information on each of these IDMs for design to construction. After we I'm going to go back for a second parallel with that you can go I'll take

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a picture in a sec Trisha. Um, we're also doing the IDS's like I said, uh, BIM for Bridges, they've got both of those developed already. We're piloting on that a project in Iowa. The Pennsylvania is also doing the same thing with those deliverables. We're trying to get those to the world. So, the IDS is being developed kind of in tandem but a little bit behind. So, making sure that they align together. So, now you can take your picture, Trisha. Um, traffic geotechnical, it's a

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little bit um, behind. this but is estimated to be completed. But we're getting to these things. So it's very crucial right now. We're at a crucial part in these these documents because they are being developed. They are going to be setting the stage for the national standards that we're trying to get developed to hopefully have ASHTTO ASHTO decide what these standards are or set the standards to kind of say, okay, we're not sure. We talked about that before at BIM week. What is JSA's role?

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What is ASHTO's role? But that's kind of above my pay grade. We'll let those people kind of figure out when we develop these things, how is that going to be coming in. So draft design construction information delivery manual as I said it kind of defines what's going on. It spells out the information that's required to support the use cases. So those use cases I talked about earlier those each different technical advisory committees they are reviewing each and every single one of these they are absolutely huge

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documents. It's a great great effort from I know Andrew did a lot of stuff in there. Andrew, yeah, you didn't do a review. No, it was Luke. Sorry. I know so many people from different states. I try to remember who does what. But anyways, we got a lot of people from each states going through and reviewing these things. It takes a lot of time because I know the one I reviewed was like 150 pages. That takes a lot of time and effort. So, we really appreciate every state that is a member of the

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poolled fund really getting in and reviewing those documents to make sure that things aren't missed, things are being done. So, with that, I'm going to pass it off to Katie. Uh, good afternoon everyone. I think I forgot to introduce myself earlier. I'm Katie Brown from Oklahoma DOT. So I am just going to be the second half of your BIM for Infra presentation this afternoon. Um so the way I see it the um challenge and the advantage of the transportation poolled funds is that they are exclusive, right? You're either

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in it or you're not. The problem is if you're not in it then you aren't hearing the conversations, right? The good thing about having a limited group though is that it does allow you to make decisions faster and move faster. Right? So the challenge and the advantage of the digital delivery stakeholder group is that it is inclusive, right? It includes everybody. every single DOT, everybody in the DOT, every single vendor, every single contractor, every single fabricator or supplier of

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any kind, right? Anybody can come to this meeting and hear the conversations. So, it's really going to take both of these groups to move these forward in our industry. Uh so with that here we have the uh life cycle of the items being developed in the BIM for infra fund. Uh the one I am supposed to highlight for you here is uh number three shared draft external stakeholders. This is the point where digital delivery stakeholder group becomes very important. Right. So ultimately uh we envision products that can be

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adopted by all 50 states right but all 50 states aren't in the poolled fund. So you have about half the states developing these materials and participating in the groups and then this larger group is where we can bring those outputs and get further input and development on those. Eventually we would like for them to uh be endorsed or published by ASHTTO if ASHTTO is looking for ways to help out here. So what are the engagement needs? So there's two things. One is an industry advisor group. So these are

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longer term commitments um from our um partner groups like ACEC, NSBA, AGC. um we really just need you know maybe one representative to help us with highlevel strategic thinking about these documents. The other need is technical working groups. So these are maybe shorter term commitments could be um various different people at different times uh but more frequent meetings and more technical detailoriented. So we are hoping to reach those people through DDSG. So if you are not in the transportation

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pulled funds but you are interested in participating when we bring these items to DDSG and ask for assistance, that's your moment to join in and help out. Uh right. So the uh products are going to have to meet the needs of many stakeholders, right? So it's not just not just the DOT, right? It also involves the vendors and the contractors and our consulting partners. So I think I covered already. I'm guess I got a little bit ahead of myself. I'm sorry. This is the part where you uh

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share with us your input on the um products that we share with you. These are the different products that we are currently working on. As you can see, they focus uh towards different stakeholders for different products. Um who you are in this industry might affect, you know, what's most important to you. So, you know, when you're thinking about participating in this, think about the products that are that matter the most to you, that might be the most interesting to you or have the most effect on what you are doing.

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And then finally, I'm going to mention the BIM clearing house. This is a uh website of knowledge. Um, so you can find the project deliverables there. you can find different educational resources or practitioner tools. Um, one of my favorite things on this website is um, a little AI enabled knowledge bot. So, you can go in there and ask it questions, whatever you're interested in. You can ask it for definitions. You can ask it to explain how things work. Um, and it will come back with all kinds

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of wonderful information. So, if you are too embarrassed to reach out and ask questions in a big group or um too embarrassed to ask another DOT what this means, by all means, jump in here and ask the AI bot. It will give you good information. It does not hallucinate yet, right? it it's based only on the stuff from the poolled fund. Although we are crowdsourcing authoritative uh documents. So if you have a document that you would like to share on here, we would be interested to know what that is

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and add it to the knowledge base. So go go check it out. There's lots of good information and um it's a it's a good time if you need something to do later tonight to play with the AI bot. All right. Any questions? Were there any questions online? >> Okay. >> Anyone here? >> I just wanted to make a comment. I think that's excellent. I think that we've all been trying to figure out roles and responsibilities here. And so what the infrastructure pool fund's doing, what

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the bridges and structures pool fund's doing and getting that feedback from the states. But then I just want to reiterate that that this DGSG group can help to get feedback from more people. Right Katie? That's kind of what you're saying. And then when we get the feedback and we get a standard developed, we have that and it's ready, it can flip over to ASHTTO to say, okay, now how can we endorse that standard? What can we do? um to have people see, you know, that that's been vetted. So,

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it hasn't just been made up in some room like AI, but we've actually got people vetted. So, my question for you is when you get feedback, so we put something out to the DGSG, we have industry, get feedback, how is that feedback handled? Do we have a procedure? And maybe we don't yet or or I say we but you know do you guys have a procedure in the poolled funds on how to handle feedback. >> Do you want to answer that? >> I don't know if it's written down but I do know that the process so far has been

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basically that the TAC committees for each of those submit TAC technical advisory committees for each of those separate each of these. We'll reviews those comments as selectively to kind of make sure anything that is done. So the the experts that have been brought in for each of those kind of decide as a group whether or not those comments are something that needs to be addressed can be addressed or not. Not that's given back to the the consultants that are doing the work for this. So I don't know

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if it's officially written down anywhere for that process, but that's kind of the process we've been doing so far. and we take every comment and we review them. It's not just like there's not a garbage can like the comment box is at some places. >> I would add review and discuss every single comment. Yeah. >> Yeah. And do you vote? Is there a voting that happens again or can it does it go to vote somehow in the pool of funds? >> I'm not sure discussion. Okay.

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>> I think it goes to general consensus. >> Sure. Did I do I talk fast enough to get us back on time? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, we are. That's awesome. >> But we we definitely don't want to shortcut the conversation either. So, >> No, no, no. Just Yeah. Yeah. No, you're good. You're good. I'm sure they're all wondering how they can get involved. >> Yeah, you might be wondering. And you'll notice we had no contact information up here whatsoever.

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Um, so I would point you back to uh to the clearing house website. If you go there, there is Whoops. There is actually a contact page um with contact information for people who can help you. Except I will say uh Michael Kennerly is still on there, but do not do not contact him. >> Yeah. And like Jim said earlier, you can always join the pulled funds if you haven't joined already. >> Yeah. And I I think it's worth rehlighting, Katie, you know, how well you um verbalized how this group can support

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and help. Um, and you know, certainly we can facilitate any kind of distribution or communications that you would need for us to do that, but that's really our goal is to get this information out and have you dialogue on it and provide your perspective and feedback. So, >> yeah, we're absolutely looking to the digital delivery stakeholder group to help us um drive adoption of these things. understanding and adoption. Thank you both so much. Thank you. >> And Jim, who's not online anymore, I

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don't think, or he's still going 70 miles per hour, not not driving. Not driving. It's the important point. Um, great. Uh, next up we're going to have a a discussion on digital delivery road mapaps. Um, and we have both Katherine and Allen. Katherine's going to just kind of set the stage for us about the idea of what we want to do and get feedback on. Um Allan from from Penn DOT obviously has been in in the middle of all of this and uh is going to share some of the things that they've done uh

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at PennDN dot with regards to their roadmap. >> Yeah, the question came up earlier about the strate national strategic roadmap. So that came out about five years ago. It's a 10-year roadmap. Um, it was covered at the first meeting and the information is on the DDSG website in terms of the presentations and all that, but we're about halfway through it right now. So, the question becomes, you know, it should be a living document. Is it worth updating that or, you know, many states are developing their own digital

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delivery plans? It'd be worth hearing what some states are doing and then have a discussion, you know, what would serve the DDSG the best in terms of roadmapping and setting strategic futures as a group. So, we'll hear from Pen Pennsylvania now and then we'll have a discussion. All right. Alan Melly. Uh I'm the chief of the digital delivery section at the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation. So uh was asked to talk about our digital delivery roadmap and our development of uh digital delivery.

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>> Oh, I got to get >> I was going to say that one's definitely not my slide. that was tied to the Katherine's comments about the uh the NSR, but um just showing that it has a vision and that's part of what a road map should help you with figuring out where you're going. Um let's see. I got to get out of here though and get your There we go. Okay. Is that better? >> Much better. Much better. So, uh, as I talk through our road map and our roadmap development, uh,

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you know, answer all the questions that you got, but where did it all begin? uh whenever PENDOT started out with uh this initiative, you know, we really started back in 2018 and really trying to answer that question, you know, for ourselves is what is digital delivery? Uh you know, as we go through this, you know, it's looking at building those deliverables that are both, you know, human readable and machine readable at the same time. Uh so you know looking at that there's you know many different

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aspects to digital delivery and that we're using you know the digital data to deliver these projects and transfer that information from you know design to construction to you know asset management ultimately and you know looking at these you know projects in a completely different way uh different than what we've you know been accustomed to on those 2D paper plan sheets and you know it was really looking at also you know a way to capture that asbuilt information. Uh so you know as we looked

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at this you know as the department you know we were looking at all right what are those benefits that we you know look to gain by moving towards you know digital delivery and it was really looking at that improved design quality reduced risk and project cost increased you know construction efficiency and improved as builds. So I actually repurposed these slides or uh some of these slides from back when we you know first started and they are you know still true you know today uh as we've continued to develop digital delivery at

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the uh department. But with those benefits in mind you know we sat down in a you know a conference room to try to figure out what was it that we really wanted to achieve. So we started with that vision statement and that vision statement was by 2025 we you know have the ability to you know be you know projects will have the ability to be bid using 3D technology and no longer be in that traditional construction plan format. So that means everything is contained within that CAD model. Uh not everything is 3D. There's still a

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mixture of 2D and 3D uh but all contained within that digital model. So we did hit that goal of you know being able uh you know to hit that vision. Uh so we delivered a project completely digitally in uh 2024. Uh so that was one of our major milestones of this. But how do we really go about achieving the vision that uh that we ultimately had. So PEDOT started out and we created a five-year strategic implementation plan. this laid out everything that we needed to do to get there. Uh it was it took

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us, you know, five years to ultimately get to the point where we were able to deliver a project completely digitally. We took small bites out of the apple as we figured out each little piece. We weren't throwing this at everybody all at once. uh we you know took various pieces and implemented improved upon that and moved that towards the next group of projects. So when we were developing this implementation plan we solicited input from all the stakeholders across the state. Uh so we have a rather large uh large state. We

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have 11 different uh districts. So we have feels like 11 different departments of transportation sometimes. Uh so it's really you know gathering that input and it wasn't just internal input. We had consultants on that uh on these meetings. We had you know utilities, we had contractors. So we had industry involvement as we were going through developing the you know the strategic plan and this roadmap. So we were looking at reviewing all of our, you know, processes, procedures, and figuring out, you know, what technology

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capabilities we had, what were we going to need in the future, and you know, really laying out those guidelines and training to how do we get there? Uh, so you know, whenever we set out this timeline, uh, we, you know, again, started digital delivery in about 2019. Uh, so we laid out this, you know, basically by September of 2020. uh we would have our stakeholder coordination and that plan developed uh and then we moved to you know phase two where you know it was the pilot projects and so forth and then finally you know

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deployment overall of uh digital delivery but whenever we started this in that whole planning phase of our plan you know we started out with those stakeholder involvement and we had an one-hour webinar uh that webinar really just talked about digital delivery, what it is, what were we trying to achieve by digital delivery and then we broke it down into regional workshops uh and you know strategic planning workshop. So some of the dates you're going to see here uh was again I copied the presentation before and I'll talk about

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what we actually did uh with those dates. As you can see, we had these workshops all set up and planned, uh, ready to go, but does everybody remember what happened in March of 2020? The world shut down. So, we had to drop back and punt to figure out exactly what the heck we were going to do and how we were going to develop these plans and this strategic plan to move towards digital delivery. We still had that goal that we wanted to hit that by 2025. So with that we actually pivoted to all virtual. So it actually helped in some

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aspects that we were able to bring other folks into those meetings uh from across the districts you know. So we had environmental, we had bridge, we had you know all of those folks and we also had contractors and consultants and stuff like that that all got to participate. So you know we still broke that down into the various regions eastern, central and western. and we had one for central office. Our central office is really that policy guideline uh group uh that uh covers the state and each district again is you know sort of

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independent uh but just got you know guided by our central office. So the strategic planning workshop was scheduled for June and you know we were looking for you know all of those attendees and we were trying to identify who should attend that. So, you know, as we went through that, uh, again, we pivoted to virtual, uh, but were able to gather all of that information. As we gathered that information, we actually came up with our first digital delivery roadmap. Uh, and this is the road map that we've laid we laid out from the uh,

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from the beginning where in 2020 we developed that strategic plan and moved on to you know that those initial uh, projects. So we had a guide rail digital asbuilt project uh and the single project PDF or a role plan. Uh so that's really where we started uh with our journey was these small those small steps and then getting into the modeling. We you know looked at roadway modeling which we classified as our EGCL. So you're looking at your survey aspect and so forth. So again, small steps to ultimately get to that overall

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goal. And as we, you know, progressed, we got into, you know, bridge modeling and then, you know, subsurface. So utility and drainage modeling and so forth. And then ultimately by 2025, we were having the, you know, digital delivery project, the mold project. So complete digital project by 2025 in each of our districts. Uh so we solicited projects across the uh across the state to you know try out all of these various pieces and we had you know some early adopters and we had some that you know definitely didn't want anything to do

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with digital delivery uh but have come along. Uh so it was really that change management aspect of you know all of uh all of digital delivery uh that we continue to work on you know even today. But that road map has, you know, since been updated. So go beyond 2025. Now that we hit 2025, what's next? Uh so uh with that, you'll see 2020 through 2024 or all of those individual pilots that I, you know, showed on the last road map. But then we get into our advanced projects. So our ADCMS projects with

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open data standards. Uh so we're working on two of those. But as we hit, you know, 2027 through 2030, we're starting to institutionalize digital delivery at the department. So each of my districts has two projects that will be advertised in 2027 up to five projects in 2030. So, you know, with 11 different districts, that's 55 additional projects in 2030 that will be done digitally. Uh so we're also looking at in 2029 any integral abupment bridge project that's less than 90 ft in length will have to be done

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digitally that are started in 2029. In 2030 any new or reconstruction projects will be done digitally. So, you know, as we're institutionalizing uh digital delivery, but through that whole process, we develop that guidance, those standards that we're all looking for for these projects. You know, with those digital delivery interm guidelines, we lay out, you know, all of what they need to do to develop a digital delivery project. roles, responsibilities, and so forth are all, you know, laid out within these

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guidelines, but it's all been guided by what we've done through these pilot projects. We also have our modeling standards manual laying out exactly how those projects should be done and how they're delivered. So, as we are, you know, 11 different districts, 11 different departments of transportation, but consistency and standardization are crucial. I can't stress that enough. So, it doesn't matter if there's a contractor that works in Philadelphia or Pittsburgh, they're getting the same

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thing the same way every time. So, as we standardize that, our contractors, the suppliers, fabricators, and so forth can then standardize their process with the data that we're giving them and being able to gain those efficiencies as we go through uh this process. So we also have our model element breakdown uh but standards are crucial. So as we continue to you know progress with digital delivery uh the department has completed six projects at this time complete projects um are all the way through six

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projects I currently have in construction. So physically uh boots on the ground right now I have six active uh construction projects and I have over 75 projects right now in either design or being advertised. So with my team, there's a lot of work going on, but you know, getting through this, you know, we're developing those workflows of exactly how they're to be delivered, how they're to be inspected, how that data is transferred from not only design to construction, but also construction, fabrication, fabrication

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back with shop drawings and so forth. So there are so many different aspects that you know we're you know tasked with trying to figure out and it's you know large workload but you know it's something that you know we take pride in as we are continuing to develop and gain additional projects. Uh so we now have those districts coming to us saying hey can we add this project digitally we want to do this one digitally. So uh it's you know gaining that organic momentum uh especially from the design

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side uh of the house and then you know even our contractors the ones that have gone through this are embracing the you know the digital delivery aspect. I just had a contractor he actually has three of the projects that are uh in construction right now. uh we have mandatory pre-bids for all of our projects. Whenever he came into that that pre- bid, his comment was just give me my paper. That's all I want is just give me the paper. Uh so I knew that guy was going to actually win that job that

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uh he said that on just because his uh business is located within uh the project limits, but I actually had him speak at the last two conferences I was at. And he speaks very highly of digital delivery. Every contractor says, "I'm gonna pay somebody to print plans." Not one of them has. Uh, as they go through that, they realize what the benefits are. So, contractor is, you know, hey, talks that, you know, he's about 72, 73 years old, so he's like, "This isn't really for me." But all of my guys that

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are out there in the field working on this, my younger staff, they're eating this all up. They love this stuff. they can get the information they need, they can work with this and so forth. So, you know, it's one of those things that, you know, as we continue on, it's, you know, that workforce development and so forth going through uh ultimately this uh this process. So, it'll be a challenge for years to come, but it's something that we continue to work towards and uh start to embrace. So, with that, that's our

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digital delivery website. So our strategic plan is located on that uh that website. Uh also all of those guidelines and so forth are also uh on that website. Uh we try to share all of the information that we have developed um R&D as much as uh as much as possible. Uh we are currently working on our asset management strategic plan. uh with the success that we had with the strategic plan moving forth with digital delivery uh it's crucial that we develop that next you know that next step and uh

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so we're developing that strategic plan and you know thank you Trish for uh assisting with uh a lot of that information and a lot of the you know stuff that you guys have accomplished we're going to use a little bit of R&D you know for that aspect for us so uh you know those strategic plans and road maps are crucial to the success of uh digital delivery. So with that, I'll open it up to any questions. >> Allan, you've revised it at least once. >> Mhm. How often do you expect you might

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revisit it in the future for more revisions as you get more knowledge and gain more experience? I think that'll be something that will be a sort of a living breathing document. Uh as we you know lay out that roadmap of what we want to achieve that you know as we you know laid out the implementation of those various projects it's only going to become more and more projects uh that we'll be doing digitally. Uh now there's going to be aspects that we're going to be looking at because there's a lot of projects

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that we do that don't lend themselves to 3D modeling. Uh so how do we transfer that data from basically like a 2D project uh that um you know we still want all of that information. So that that's going to be another aspect that we're going to be adding to this here eventually. But that strategic plan for asset management will be updated and then you know we'll continue to maintain that as well. So, uh, it's not something that we update very often, but it, you know, it has to be a little bit fluid,

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but it has to give us that guiding light of what we need to accomplish and what steps we need to look at to accomplish that end goal. >> What What would you say kind of the trigger was to initiate that first review? >> That first change was really we were getting close to hitting that 2025 date. Uh so you know all of those pieces to get us to 2025 were accomplished. So it was like okay now what? So we needed to show that next four five years uh into the future. So that's really what uh

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constituted us you know making that revision or update to the the road map was really we hit those goals and hit you know everything that we were hoping to hit with each of those road maps. I'd be interested for future sessions um if to see if everybody kind of aligns on the LOD and what should be 2D and what should be 3D and maybe some sharing of the model element breakdowns and seeing if we're all kind of on the same page. And the other thing is um specbook changes um maybe more conversations on

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what additional specs did that you had to do, how are you changing up how you're doing your quantities and stuff like that. So was it >> Yep. We can I totally agree with you. I mean uh as we've gone through I mean we've developed multiple different you know specifications for uh for digital delivery. um share all of those uh with you and again we learn every time we go to you know a different conference or whatever we pull something back that uh you know that we learn and you know

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adjust and implement. So yeah be loved to have the conversations to uh try to align. I had a question specific to your uh asbuilt collection. In a session yesterday, ASB builts came up and the general consensus was is that the states generally have contract language in their contracts saying you got to do asbuilts but it's very weak. You we hope you do, we wish you uh but then it came out that Minnesota's legislature passed a mandate where you have to do as builts. I'm curious what what's going on

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in Pennsylvania. How do you ensure you get accurate as builts? because in my mind this all falls apart without accurate asbuilts. >> I agree with you. I couldn't agree with you more. Uh unfortunately, we don't have legislation that states we have to uh have asbuilts. It was actually an interesting conversation uh just the other week at our project delivery workshop. Had a district uh talking to me about asbuilts and he was like, "We do asbuilts." Yes. Yes, we do. Uh so I mean as builts

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are required uh or are to be required they're in our you know project office manual and and and so forth and but it's limited on what they actually have to capture on those as builds and it's our inspectors are responsible for doing those as builds unless it's a design bid or unless it's a design build project. So ultimately it's quantity changes on our tab and summary sheets. It's any changes for drainage, but again it's redlinined on a 2D plan sheet. Uh and that's where all of our asset management

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systems usually are manually entered uh from those, you know, from those drawings. and it takes quite a bit of time to update those asset management systems. So, as we're moving towards digital delivery, working with each of those asset owners and so forth to, you know, accept this information, uh, I mean, one of the examples is, you know, we put in our pavement information, you know, pavement depths and so forth into a system. One of the districts actually had an oversized load hit uh hit a bridge. Uh the reason came

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down to was that district did not update the pavement information uh from the year prior um in time and they permitted an oversized load to uh go through and it did not fit. So that's where these digital asbuilts and this digital data will you know come to into you know into play as far as you know updating that real time. Uh so as we go through even with our ADCMS projects uh so one of the aspects uh of that is collecting digital as builds. So we're utilizing the you know the rovers and so forth out in the

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field verifying that model. So basically you're not necessarily creating a new model. You're verifying what's in that model and we're looking at all right what are the tolerances of all of the different aspects of that project that what does it constitute a model change and whenever that constitutes a model change we are keeping our designers so be it consultant or internal designers on the project through construction. It's no longer a let it and forget it type project where you just throw it

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over the wall and construction worries about all that. Design's in, you know, involved in construction as well, which is a big change for us. Uh, and I'm sure it would be for, you know, for most people because, you know, they're used, you know, turning out projects and just throwing them over the wall. Well, that communication now has to happen. Uh so with digital asbuilts, you know, and we're gathering that information with the, you know, with these uh projects and, you know, bringing that back

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because I want to know everything about that project. I want to know what's being covered up, where, you know, concrete patches or asphalt patches before they overlay it. I want to know where all that stuff is. Uh so we're working through all of that right now, but as builds are a crucial crucial point of digital delivery. Um Mike Routolo from Bentley Systems. So as Pendot moves towards the majority of the projects in 2029, 2030 and beyond be part of the digital delivery program, what are your benchmarks and strategies

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for transitioning the 3D as constructed data into your EAM systems for longerterm maintenance? >> So we are working on that now. We're working with all of our uh various asset owners because they are all over the place. Uh so our first um group or concentration is probably going to be traffic signals. Uh being that they have the TAM system and they're ready for the data. They they've been you know waiting for this uh in in that area. But I have others that say our signs and stuff are

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built on the SAP system. That's a tough nut to crack because it's very difficult with uh with that group. But you know, we continue to work towards each of those priority assets. Uh and it will take some time, but that will all be laid out within that strategic plan of um you know, our asset management strategic plan. questions. >> We've got one mic. >> Okay. >> As part of your digital digital delivery, are you including geotechnical models in that delivery engine? And the

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reason why is um you know, working in places like Florida where they're basically underwater. uh it's becoming more and more of an issue when we talk about drainage and scour and simulating as we move into the asset management space. >> Yes. So we are in the process right now of our geotech group is developing a uh a program utilizing digs and and so forth to uh standardize that but that is coming. Uh so we are incorporating the subsurface uh information into uh into these models. Yes.

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>> Good. >> Thanks. >> Sure. >> That was really great. I think as far as what we're you know we're thinking about with this we as Katherine mentioned started talking about roadmap in the first meeting and the idea was what what do people want to do with road maps? What do states want to do? What do you need to do? How could the DDSG help to um collab help collaboration and help with sharing and everything? And so um it's great to see what Pennsylvania has done. we have the national strategic

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roadmap out there that Katherine mentioned and we thought you know maybe that's something that could be used but we don't want to jump to that conclusion maybe there's other ways to go about this so um this gives one perspective um if you know something about the national strategic roadmap it can give sort of another perspective and maybe in between all that there's a path forward um we put together a few poll questions that we are going to launch up now to try to collect what people are thinking and see

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where we might want to go in discussion or not. You know, it's sort of open-ended at this point and that could help guide the future direction. So, we're going to launch off a couple of poll questions now and get you back into Mentometer to do that. Um, do let's see, we can go get the um H. Okay, that's got the M the good. All right. Here we go. Um, find yourself in Mentometer and um, respond answer as you see fit. Um, do you currently have a digital delivery roadmap that you've put

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together in your state or organization? And there's kind of a range of choices from yes to uh, sort of to uh, what are you talking about? Um, okay, good. We're getting some responses come in. We see we have a few people with road mapaps set up. That's that's interesting to see. Um Um, does anybody have any comment they want to make about that? about anything they've done with the road map. Yeah, there's one there you can use. >> Yes, Joseph Vulparo and NMDOT. Um yeah,

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we did actually we followed it's nice seeing your um timeline because we've kind of followed the same thing and it started with a workshop and um I can tell you that once we had I think everyone should do one and I think um we should always we should keep the national one up to date. But one reason why I recommend forcing it in your state is because now we have um it it's just thrusted us forward. Um just having the ownership of your own document and and it really is defined what your individual state's

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goals are and um and it's it it makes it easier to get people to buy in because that is your document. You're not just pointing them to a federal document. Um, and now that we've had it, it's just um, helped us create a sustained momentum with all of our initiatives and it helped us bring all of those people together that were already working on things that that fall under this umbrella because they are creating and consuming data that feeds this system or that needs to feed the system. So yeah,

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it's um it's it's been a blessing for us. And uh the only thing that I would really really recommend is um outreach is so important for that workshop. I mean, you're going to have to bug the heck out of people. You got to find the carrot on the end of their stick and and tell them what they're going to win at the end of the day. Um and and just knock on doors. I mean, you got to I cannot stress how much that that helped. And even though ours was a success, we still needed more people in

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the room. And um that's all I I guess. >> Yeah. >> Uh we've got a a comment online from Devin. >> Yeah, thank you. Um so again, uh Deon Poor from Calrans. I just want to add a little bit to um I didn't quite catch who was just making that statement, but uh yeah, the I agree with the national road map being updated, but I echo um each dot or entity should really take that as a guideline to develop your own. And we're at this point, we developed our initial implementation plan which led to

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us creating a higher level strategic plan and we're in the works of revising our implementation plan right now. But there's a another part of this that we're starting to initiate is having a change management plan because it's one thing to have the technical part involved and focusing on the you know what are the things that are changing but the biggest effort to this is always going to be changing the hearts and minds and encouraging the heart of people that have to change. So,

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we've started this initiating of another process that's more or less going to be a tool for us to help get people to adopt what's being changed as part of our um implementation of that. >> Great. Thanks, Stephan. Looks like we've got one comment there. >> I also echo the change management piece. So uh jumping on to the change management piece. When we changed how we delivered projects through just uh upgrading our systems from a mainframe to an actual modern web-based tool, you

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have to talk to people till you're so tired of hearing about your own project and then they're just now paying attention. So you it's going to take you a lot of conversations, monthly touch points. You have to build a champion network for this across the agency. It can't just be like in your design group. Um, and you think they heard you, you know, the first 10 times they didn't. They ignored that email. They were tuning out while you were talking. So, you will have to keep repeating yourself. But it is

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important to do. >> Okay. Okay. >> That's speaking from Texas perspective, right? Yeah, great. Um, we can have more comments, but let's launch the next question up and see where it where it takes us. >> Yeah, I guess this one we've kind of touched on a little bit, but we're just trying to see if there's familiarity with um the strategic road map, the national one. Oh, good. Well, there's some pretty good awareness of it, so that's good to see. Um, of the n of the FHWA road map. Um, I

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don't know. Give it another minute and then we'll just go to a next question because I think this kind of progresses to then your own road map. Um, Yeah, >> the what? >> Oh, >> oh, closer to the mic. Sorry. Sorry. >> Yeah. Okay, good. All right, let's uh let's hit the next one. Okay. Um, this one's a little more complicated on what you're using a road map for. So see how you do with responding to this one. Um I guess what we didn't ask when we asked

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about the familiarity with the federal highway map is how many people are aware of how many states have done this effort. Is there any kind of a place where that is shared or known information because it seems like there's a lot to be gained from collaborating with knowing what your peers are doing on road mapping. >> I don't know you that Alan >> if you look at some of my hidden slides. Ah >> uh now that is from my our consultants that do work within a slideshow. >> It's in the presentate. Yeah.

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Oh, thanks. Should come up. There we go. There you go. So, this is something, you know, HDR is our prime consultant that uh has helped us out. So uh one of the things that uh we show off is that there are a lot of states across the country that are developing you know strategic plans, strategic road maps for digital delivery and where they all are. So this again this is not uh something that's been you know surveyed or anything like that. This is really strictly from what uh our consultants

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know at this point uh with dealing with a lot of DOS across the uh across the country. So >> Oh, good. Well, um is there any place I mean this came to you from HDR's knowledge? I guess they talked to a lot of these people. So, >> and I think this is somewhere that I think maybe even JTCEes could play a role in sort of soliciting this information from across the uh across the country. >> Yeah, it does seem like there should be a place where this is known that is public and available to everyone else.

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So, maybe JTCS is a spot for that. Maybe there's something we can do to at least help make that known in the stakeholder group too. >> Correct. Okay. Um now let's go back to the poll. So you guys can do that, right? Um and we'll put the ne um I think we had to show the results on the last question and then put the next one and then put the next one up. Yeah. Okay. Um good. Um, yeah. If you haven't done any work on a road map, do you think it would be valuable? I guess we're trying to get

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at. Is this something to collaborate on? Oops. Somebody's trying to call me and tell me they think it's a good idea. Sorry about that. Um, okay, great. So it does seem like the idea of road mapping is pretty obvious. It's important. Um if you want to go somewhere, you need a plan to get there. Good. Okay. Let's um let's take the next question. See where it what it does for us. What would help your organ what would help your organization most in developing a road map? And this is uh

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select all that apply. Roadmap templates, case studies from other states, uh a collaborative working group with other states, an update of the national strategic road map. Um not sure um or not interested or it's getting late in the day, but we didn't put that choice up there. Oh, good. All of the above. >> All right. Well, that shows some interest in a range of different things, but that makes sense. They're not mutually exclusive, so good. Um, let's try our last. I think we have one

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more question directly. Yeah. Would your organization be interested in participating in any sort of a collaborative effort on roadmap development? Yeah. Yes. Um, we we asked if you were interested, but we didn't say what you would be getting yourself into. So, it's probably a good idea to ask for more information about that. Um, but it does show that I think there's um potential for some kind of a collaborative effort. Not sure where that would be or what it would be, but and I think we felt like

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the topic of collectively looking at road maps is something that would probably continue as something that DDSG helped to facilitate anyway with states. So, um I think we probably have to figure out what that means, where it would go. Um, maybe we could ask for interest of people who would like to just help to figure that out. Should it be JTCEES? Is there a need for anything or something? Maybe we can follow up with some kind of uh request to ask people to send um their name if they're interested to to do more with this.

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or we could make that request right now and then you could um send it a note to the stakeholder group, myself or Matt about that. That would be great. >> Do we perhaps have a spot in the mural that people could add their >> Yeah, the this is in the mural. If you're online and in the mural, you could go to the uh stakeholder group or to the road mapping section and there's a comment block in there. Um yes, if you're interested in uh it's a good observation. Um if you're interested in

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doing more with road mapping collectively in some way, please uh leave your name on a sticky note on the uh mural board >> and you can always reach out to us directly as well. Yeah. And uh um um yeah.